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Spursex - 1/3/2013 12:42

recipricol arrangements were and have made all across the World, we pay though the nose for it via our contributions to the EU anyway, so it's not exactly a major benefit - we all pay for it.
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You do pay for it, as you do for the NHS, education, infrastructure of all kinds. It's called 'living in a society'.

We have not paid for these benefits in say the USA, Canada, Australia or outer Mongolia so if you fall ill or end up unemployed there, you'd better have good private insurance cover.

The EU is now an extended 'society' for its members. It has many advantages in terms of trade and free movement across borders but, as you rightly say, it also has its responsibilities, one of which is to contribute to the cost of the benefits that accrue.
 
Innispurs - 1/3/2013 15:05

Spursex - 1/3/2013 12:42

recipricol arrangements were and have made all across the World, we pay though the nose for it via our contributions to the EU anyway, so it's not exactly a major benefit - we all pay for it.
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You do pay for it, as you do for the NHS, education, infrastructure of all kinds. It's called 'living in a society'.

We have not paid for these benefits in say the USA, Canada, Australia or outer Mongolia so if you fall ill or end up unemployed there, you'd better have good private insurance cover.

The EU is now an extended 'society' for its members. It has many advantages in terms of trade and free movement across borders but, as you rightly say, it also has its responsibilities, one of which is to contribute to the cost of the benefits that accrue.
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The EU in it's current form isn't 'the society' I choose to live in, nor is it one I choose to pay for.

The EU is an extended socialist ideal that's racked up more inefficiencies, more fraud, created more debt than even the worse tax and spend labour governments.

There are many countries in Europe that enjoy free-trade and trade well with those that what to be in the EU – that won’t change when we either renegotiate the terms of get out of it.

What will change is we’ll be able to control our own borders again and we won’t have to keep contributing to the most disgusting fraudulent agricultural subsidy system ever created.

Thank God we did manage to stay out of the Euro because if there is any hope of a recovery it will only be when the euro is broken up and each country can once again regain it’s own financial levers.


Of course, the stark difference here is you believe in the state picking up the bill for everything, I believe it's down to the individual to choose - holiday or travel insurance should be factored into your spending/budget if you go abraod, and people shouldn't expect the state to pick up your bills.

It's all about personal resposnibility to the rest of society.
 
I have to say, the drift to the right in your thinking Ex is best illustrated by your description of the EU as a socialist ideal - to me it's still reeks of a 'rich man's club'. But hey, your admiration for UKIP probably explains this rather shabby thinking. After all, that intellectual powerhouse, Nigel Farage, was able last night to describe the Tories, the Lib Dems and the Labour party as all being 'social democrat'.

Promoting that kind of perceptive analysis, it's no wonder you see the EU as 'socialist'.
 
And now Milliband joins the UKIP bandwagon...

seems I was right all along..


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/9912037/Miliband-Labour-was-wrong-to-dismiss-immigration-concerns.html


Miliband: Labour was wrong to dismiss immigration concerns
Labour leader Ed Miliband pledges to cut the number of low-skilled migrants entering the UK.

10:26AM GMT 06 Mar 2013

In a party political broadcast to be aired tonight, Ed Miliband admitted that Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were “wrong” in government to dismiss the concerns of the public over levels of migration that were “too high”.

The Labour leader also pledged for the first time to cut the number of low-skilled migrants entering the UK.

The statement will be seen as a significant attempt to reposition Labour in light of the surge in support for Ukip, the right-wing anti-European party, in recent months.
 
Ed Miliband says low skilled immigration is 'too high'
Labour would cut the number of low-skilled immigrants coming to Britain and force foreigners working for state services to learn English, Ed Miliband says today.

By Tim Ross, Political Correspondent

9:53AM GMT 06 Mar 2013


The Labour leader admits that Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were “wrong” in government to dismiss the concerns of the public over levels of migration that were “too high”.

While there is “nothing wrong” with employing foreign staff, some companies recruit from overseas to undercut the wages of British-born workers, Mr Miliband says.

His comments, in a new party political broadcast to be aired tonight, mark the first time he has said the number of low-skilled migrants entering the UK must be cut.

The statement will be seen as a significant attempt to reposition Labour in light of the surge in support for Ukip, the right-wing anti-European party, in recent months.

“I believe that diversity is good for Britain but it's got to be made to work for all and not just for some,” the Labour leader says. “That means everybody taking responsibility, everybody playing their part and contributing to the country.”

During the 2010 election, Mr Brown had to apologise after he was overheard describing one pensioner who raised concerns over immigration as a “bigoted woman”.

Gillian Duffy confronted the then Prime Minister on camera during his campaign visit to Rochdale, Lancs. Mr Brown’s private frustration was broadcast to the world after he stepped into his car while his microphone was still live.

David Cameron has set a target to cut net migration to the “tens of thousands”. However, in his broadcast, Mr Miliband suggests that limits must apply only to workers with low levels of training.

“Low-skill migration has been too high and we need to bring it down,” the Labour leader says.

This will mean “maximum controls” for eastern Europeans entering the European Union and “properly enforcing the minimum wage so people aren’t brought here to undercut workers already here”.

Mr Miliband again draws on his personal family history, telling viewers that his father, the Marxist academic Ralph Miliband, studied English after he fled the Nazis for Britain.

Anyone working in a government-funded job in which they face the public should “be able to speak English”, he says.

A Tory source said Mr Miliband’s plans were “not credible”.

“They presided over a chaotic immigration system which saw over 2.2 million people, the size of Birmingham, come into the UK. They can't be trusted with our immigration system,” the source said.

“It is appalling that they still refuse to apologise to the British public for allowing immigration to get out of control.”
 
Spurfect11 - 6/3/2013 13:57

I'd try to sort out Native Britain's unskilled population first Ex - it's pretty appalling really.
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Agreed, it is. But then importing more hardly helps.
 
Milliband is doing a 'plumber'

As in 'tut, tut - who installed this for you?'

All political parties do it all the time - blaming the other side for all the country's woes. I'd be interested if the little twonk changed the party name back to Labour
 
ST2 - 11/3/2013 13:04

Milliband is doing a 'plumber'

As in 'tut, tut - who installed this for you?'

All political parties do it all the time - blaming the other side for all the country's woes. I'd be interested if the little twonk changed the party name back to Labour
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It seems he's working hard to distance himself and denigrate anything/everything that 'new labour' inc messers Blair & Brown touched or said - which in fairness to him, I can fully understand.

They lead us into this mess, then didn't recognise the magnitude of it and in the meantime virtually bankrupt this country, all from a base of the suprlus they took over - that's some malfeasance they managed - so who in their right mind would agree with what they did?
 
ST2 - 11/3/2013 13:04

Milliband is doing a 'plumber'

As in 'tut, tut - who installed this for you?'

All political parties do it all the time - blaming the other side for all the country's woes. I'd be interested if the little twonk changed the party name back to Labour
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It seems he's working hard to distance himself and denigrate anything/everything that 'new labour' inc messers Blair & Brown touched or said - which in fairness to him, I can fully understand.

They lead us into this mess, then didn't recognise the magnitude of it and in the meantime virtually bankrupt this country, all from a base of the suprlus they took over - that's some malfeasance they managed - so who in their right mind would agree with what they did?
 
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