jocklatic
Vital 1st Team Regular
Might be best to let this go.
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Might be best to let this go.
KDZ, (& MiW), we're probably not going to agree.
As I've said numerous occasions, I do understand the position of those who (for whatever reason) don't want to see he back in the UK. However, neither do I want to see people condemned due to assumptions of crimes that they may or may not have committed .......... as opposed to being a member of a "banned" organisation.
If she returns, then she should be subject to the legal process. Simple. Nothing of what you've said - especially trying to tar her with the actions of the Manchester bomber, regardless of what she might have said - has persuaded me otherwise. You can't generally condemn people - rapists, paedophiles, murderers, terrorists - with a single label, or a collective behaviour. Each of their individual circumstances will have context.
Just a point re "Joining a terrorist organisation" ....................... who defines what a terrorist organisation might be. The point re IRA and UVF are is absolutely still relevant.
Let's just agree to disagree.
MiW ........ we aren't talking about welcoming back a terrorist.
We're talking about someone re-entering the country, whereupon they should be subject to the legal process for whatever crimes they may have committed. .......... and I then fully agree with the rest of your post.
See ..... not that far apart.
a convincing 2-0 win against Boro - Sadly I won't be able to go.
If the caliphate remained in existence would she be looking to come back ?
When is our country going to stop allowing itself to be treated like a mug by all and sundry ? Terrorists, EU, Economic Migrants they are all taking the piss because we are sadly a soft touch.
EU economic migrants! Don't expose your stupidity completely.
EU economic migrants! Don't expose your stupidity completely.
What has she done wrong? She joined a proscribed terrorist organisation for a start and at the very least provided support for it.
I think most level headed people don't want her or any other terrorist back in the country. The problem is with the law as it stands and so new legislation is required. As we know the weak willed hand wringers and left wing media such as the guardian will try and resist as per usual with Corbyn and Abbott doing their best to block it. They are best ignored. I'd also advocate bringing back the death penalty for such offences.
It's not a weak argument, its the truth.Sorry Kenny i usually agree with you but your first line exposes the weakness of your argument! You say they have a probationary period when they FIRST join!!
Hatton had been in the party before and been kicked out,so they knew who they were getting and the baggage he carried and still waved him through!
Its words like "treacherous" that have this country in the position it is in, a very emotive term which leads to extremismNonsense. It was as conclusive as it needed to be. More people chose to leave than they did remain. It is that simple. As public servants these MPs should have been working to uphold this act of democracy not hinder it at every turn because they didn't like the result. If they weren't happy with that then given the subsequent election they shouldn't have run. We are now in this period of uncertainty due to their treacherous behaviour and the encouragement given to them by the sore losers.
EU economic migrants! Don't expose your stupidity completely.
Fair enough if he was a first time applicant,Alas he was not! As a previously banned individual his application should have ensured extra scrutiny,Surely that would make sense!!It's not a weak argument, its the truth.
All applicants are provisionally allowed in then there is a three month period where any member can put forward objections which are the considered and acted on if necessary. This is what seems to have happened here
I ask again please comment on Jacobs Rees Moggs stance on this matter, you quote corbyn and Abbott but not him -- hmmmm???
Its words like "treacherous" that have this country in the position it is in, a very emotive term which leads to extremism
They are not "treacherous", they are acting as they see best. Don't forget that many MPs constituencies voted to remain so they have to have an eye on that too.
There are many different views of what Brexit meant, the most simplistic and ridiculous was "just walk away now" after the referendum.
A guy from Barnsley interviewed the other day was screaming we should be out by now, I voted Brexit to stop all these muslims and Africans comming in as immigrants, I have no problem with Europeans coming in but we needed to stop these others. How thick and ridiculous does that sound!!?
I can't comment on the bloke from Barnsley as I haven't heard that, but yes he sounds like a complete tool ..... .
So I was right then, a complete tool.
Aye .......... but his vote counted just the same.