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Polly 433 said:
You really do not read any of my posts. I am not a Boris supporter. I am a Socialist Worker, Trade Unionist, Labour voter who having worked (secondment, so they can’t sack me for whistleblowing or stop pension) in Brussels and knows the way the EU works. I am glad to be out of EU but strongly want a change of flavour in U.K. government. I do not support Boris, or Tories so attack him/them by all means. What I do support is U.K. out of EU. The EU is the cult and many have bought in to that without having experienced their behaviour or understanding their longterm goals.
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Hmm. So here we have an apparent socialist who was more than happy to pick up up a dollar by working for the institution they despise. Sounds a bit fishy.
 
Polly 433 said:
You really do not read any of my posts. I am not a Boris supporter. I am a Socialist Worker, Trade Unionist, Labour voter who having worked (secondment, so they can’t sack me for whistleblowing or stop pension) in Brussels and knows the way the EU works. I am glad to be out of EU but strongly want a change of flavour in U.K. government. I do not support Boris, or Tories so attack him/them by all means. What I do support is U.K. out of EU. The EU is the cult and many have bought in to that without having experienced their behaviour or understanding their longterm goals.
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I must say i felt most let down by the lefts who voted for brexit. The EU wasnt and clearly isnt monolithic- it does good and bad like most things/people. Socialism was about building unions not destroying them.

I dont agree with da faq language but i can see how he got to the position of identifying socialists voting for brexit as 'traitors'.
 
Polly 433 said:
EU under a strong Merkel lead Brussels in to a policy of no walls or barriers, after her Berlin Wall experience. EU now supporting a wall in Poland. It has begun.
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There is a huge difference between a wall designed to keep people out and one designed to keep people in.

You will be aware of what is happening and why it is happening and who is behind it all; surely you are not thinking that a return to the likes of Poland, the Baltic States, Bulgaria, and Slovakia becoming Russian satellite states is in anyone's interests.
 
mao tse tung said:
There is a huge difference between a wall designed to keep people out and one designed to keep people in.

You will be aware of what is happening and why it is happening and who is behind it all; surely you are not thinking that a return to the likes of Poland, the Baltic States, Bulgaria, and Slovakia becoming Russian satellite states is in anyone's interests.
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Actually beginning to think polly does think they were little socialist paradises for the people!
 
mao tse tung said:
There is a huge difference between a wall designed to keep people out and one designed to keep people in.

You will be aware of what is happening and why it is happening and who is behind it all; surely you are not thinking that a return to the likes of Poland, the Baltic States, Bulgaria, and Slovakia becoming Russian satellite states is in anyone's interests.
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Putins interests
He is one of the puppet masters behind the scenes as its benefits his March towards reuniting the USSR and we have played into his hands perfectly
 
Loving the current mob mentality being used on here lately when attacking a single poster. Its almost as if some people havn't the balls to do it on their own. Phrases like " tell us" and " he must be deluded" and the use of posters names as a preface to a call to arms. Have your lot got an alert system so you can all dive in at once for maximum effect?
 
Bremen Tree said:
Hmm. So here we have an apparent socialist who was more than happy to pick up up a dollar by working for the institution they despise. Sounds a bit fishy.
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Again incorrect. If you read the post it states seconded. Working for my U.K. employer in a collaborative post. Definition of collaboration. Working with the enemy. Wrong again. Sometimes you just outdo yourselves.
 
radfordinlondon said:
I must say i felt most let down by the lefts who voted for brexit. The EU wasnt and clearly isnt monolithic- it does good and bad like most things/people. Socialism was about building unions not destroying them.

I dont agree with da faq language but i can see how he got to the position of identifying socialists voting for brexit as 'traitors'.
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Monolithic. Exactly how many describe the EU.
 
mao tse tung said:
There is a huge difference between a wall designed to keep people out and one designed to keep people in.

You will be aware of what is happening and why it is happening and who is behind it all; surely you are not thinking that a return to the likes of Poland, the Baltic States, Bulgaria, and Slovakia becoming Russian satellite states is in anyone's interests.
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Or could it just be that the idea of uncontrolled migration is a bad one? Poland don't like it who will be next.
 
mao tse tung said:
There is a huge difference between a wall designed to keep people out and one designed to keep people in.

You will be aware of what is happening and why it is happening and who is behind it all; surely you are not thinking that a return to the likes of Poland, the Baltic States, Bulgaria, and Slovakia becoming Russian satellite states is in anyone's interests.
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Putin maybe responsible for action in Russia but EU are responsible for their response. There are multiples of other options. In fact these other options are the likely outcome. It is the slow drip of ideas that later become deliverables that I watch. I agree there is a difference. When Trump ranted about building a wall he was rightly criticised but EU appear to get support for same action. No one wishes to return to soviet satellite states and what they stood for. Why are Frontex under orders from EU of secrecy of movement in Poland? Why when Greece and Italy under migrant pressure they took a different stance and still do? Why has Strategic Compass discussion papers been released at the same time as floating the idea of an EU built wall? Why have both these concepts being discussed whilst role of NATO is being undermined, both within EU and by state political figures? Too big a set of coincidences.
 
da fuq said:
Putins interests
He is one of the puppet masters behind the scenes as its benefits his March towards reuniting the USSR and we have played into his hands perfectly
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So Putins idea is a bad one and the whole basis of the EU is the same.
 
Polly 433 said:
Again incorrect. If you read the post it states seconded. Working for my U.K. employer in a collaborative post. Definition of collaboration. Working with the enemy. Wrong again. Sometimes you just outdo yourselves.
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None the less, you could have rejected, on moral grounds, the request to work with the enemy.

Like wise I have rejected numerous requests to work on military programs on moral grounds.
 
Polly 433 said:
Putin maybe responsible for action in Russia but EU are responsible for their response. There are multiples of other options. In fact these other options are the likely outcome. It is the slow drip of ideas that later become deliverables that I watch. I agree there is a difference. When Trump ranted about building a wall he was rightly criticised but EU appear to get support for same action. No one wishes to return to soviet satellite states and what they stood for. Why are Frontex under orders from EU of secrecy of movement in Poland? Why when Greece and Italy under migrant pressure they took a different stance and still do? Why has Strategic Compass discussion papers been released at the same time as floating the idea of an EU built wall? Why have both these concepts being discussed whilst role of NATO is being undermined, both within EU and by state political figures? Too big a set of coincidences.
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"No one wishes to return to soviet satellite states and what they stood for."

That is exactly what you will end up with unless the EU make a stand
 
Bremen Tree said:
None the less, you could have rejected, on moral grounds, the request to work with the enemy.

Like wise I have rejected numerous requests to work on military programs on moral grounds.
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I could of but I didn’t. I learnt firsthand what a nasty vindictive organisation it is, that consistently says one thing and does the other. If you are in, you are in, until you suggest something that doesn’t fit the longterm strategy. If you are out, you get the full vindictive treatment. Bit like the Mafia. Who needs enemies with friends like these. Learnt not to Trust them one inch.

You remain incorrect as I was retained on same salary and the EU were never pay masters. Now expenses were a different thing. I was told off once for flying on economy when I should have gone business. I still preferred to drive/ferry, which annoyed them even more. Easy to understand why they audit their own accounts.
 
mao tse tung said:
"No one wishes to return to soviet satellite states and what they stood for."

That is exactly what you will end up with unless the EU make a stand
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You misunderstand me. I agree the states that Border any country that is making aggressive moves has to make a stand. With support from EU and NATO. This doesn’t include a wall. The EU is considering other actions which are fine but why raise this concept, which it historically has always been against, why undermine NATO why the secrecy around role of Frontex and why discuss Strategic Compass. Other agendas, thus why different actions.
 
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