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Guardian has put us all at risk..

As for this government, they had a near impossible task tidying up the mess Labour and the banks left behind.

Having said that, I really do not agree with a number of unnecessary changes they have made. Bedroom taxes, closing nearly all the Remploy centres, education... the list goes on. Its one of the reasons I am so cynical of all politicians regardless of what side of the fence they sit on. Its all about power and money and they are all so transparent, yet we still vote for them, well some do!
 
You have to pick the best of a bad bunch. Cameron is doing okay in an impossible job. He is kicking out the extremist terrorists that have been in the country for years, he is cutting down on the benefit scum bags that riddle this country. Which Labour encouraged. Not a chance in hell is Milliband and his cronies the best option. If they get in power again then god help us.
 
I agree RD.

I dread to think what would happen if Labour got back in.

Even though the Mail's attack on Milliband's dad may have been unnecessary, watching Milliband bleat like a little kid saying 'they are lying, they are lying'., makes me wonder how he would react to something that effected the country and our security.

He is a wet blanket with no backbone and like his predecessors is more interested in pleasing the voters rather than having to make tough decisions.
 
Real Deal - 13/10/2013 16:40

You have to pick the best of a bad bunch. Cameron is doing okay in an impossible job. He is kicking out the extremist terrorists that have been in the country for years, he is cutting down on the benefit scum bags that riddle this country. Which Labour encouraged. Not a chance in hell is Milliband and his cronies the best option. If they get in power again then god help us.

Probably the most shocking piece, I have EVER seen you post RD!

I am VERY surprised. Very surprised indeed.
 
Galvin's Shinpads - 13/10/2013 19:36

Real Deal - 13/10/2013 16:40

You have to pick the best of a bad bunch. Cameron is doing okay in an impossible job. He is kicking out the extremist terrorists that have been in the country for years, he is cutting down on the benefit scum bags that riddle this country. Which Labour encouraged. Not a chance in hell is Milliband and his cronies the best option. If they get in power again then god help us.

Probably the most shocking piece, I have EVER seen you post RD!

I am VERY surprised. Very surprised indeed.

Lol. Is it because someone who generally posts intelligent and well balanced arguments, can't possibly vote for anyone other than Labour? : :59:
 
spur67 - 13/10/2013 20:38

Galvin's Shinpads - 13/10/2013 19:36

Real Deal - 13/10/2013 16:40

You have to pick the best of a bad bunch. Cameron is doing okay in an impossible job. He is kicking out the extremist terrorists that have been in the country for years, he is cutting down on the benefit scum bags that riddle this country. Which Labour encouraged. Not a chance in hell is Milliband and his cronies the best option. If they get in power again then god help us.

Probably the most shocking piece, I have EVER seen you post RD!

I am VERY surprised. Very surprised indeed.

Lol. Is it because someone who generally posts intelligent and well balanced arguments, can't possibly vote for anyone other than Labour? : :59:

If that gets your motor going, good luck!
If you're not a right-wing **** on here, do you just presume people are Labour, or left-wing?!

It actually never referred to yourself anyway but now you decided to respond, good luck with the righty Conservative love-in.
They are equally a bunch of pricks. The proof is in the pudding. Sample some!
 
Read again galv. You will see I have absolutely no preference in terms of voting. Its just that Milliband and his party are the worst case scenario. Hardly a Tory love in.
Anyway, nice to see your aggression classes are coming along nicely.
 
Real Deal - 14/10/2013 09:48

lol hardly a Tory love in. They are just simple better than Labour.

The only good thing is that Milliband has stopped the pretence and is moving labour to the far left and abandoning Blair's and Browns Centre-left strategy and Cameron is desperately trying to find ways to recapture the vote of so many disgruntled labour and Conservative voters which should have been his...as it is, UKIP just keeps gaining ground and unless there is a dramatic turnaround might do serious damage to the conservatives at the next election..
 
Can't agree with that Ex. Milliband has isolated the Unions who were the life blood of the original left wing policies Labour stood for. Where I agree Milliband is clear he wants to move away from the Blair years policies, I really can't see him veering away too much from the centre because he knows left wing politics just doesnt work.

I would love Labour to go back to their roots, because at least therewould be a real choice. . Milliband is no different to any other would be Prime Minister, promise promise, promise. Deliver, nothing.
 
spur67 - 14/10/2013 13:48

Can't agree with that Ex. Milliband has isolated the Unions who were the life blood of the original left wing policies Labour stood for. Where I agree Milliband is clear he wants to move away from the Blair years policies, I really can't see him veering away too much from the centre because he knows left wing politics just doesnt work.

I would love Labour to go back to their roots, because at least therewould be a real choice. . Milliband is no different to any other would be Prime Minister, promise promise, promise. Deliver, nothing.

His last reshuffle strongly supports a movement to the left and the end of the Blairite 'centre/left' play..

His interventionist policy/promise of holding back the tide of energy increases is about as socialist and left wing as you can get..
 
Real Deal - 13/10/2013 10:58

A basic article on fracking. Found it quite useful. Clearly has it's pros but also has it's cons.

Drilling companies suggest trillions of cubic feet of shale gas may be recoverable from underneath parts of northern England, through a process known as "fracking".

Hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, is a technique designed to recover gas and oil from shale rock. But how does it work and why is it controversial?

What is fracking?

Fracking is the process of drilling down into the earth before a high-pressure water mixture is directed at the rock to release the gas inside. Water, sand and chemicals are injected into the rock at high pressure which allows the gas to flow out to the head of the well.

The process is carried out vertically or, more commonly, by drilling horizontally to the rock layer. The process can create new pathways to release gas or can be used to extend existing channels.

fracking graphic
Why is it called fracking?

It is shorthand for hydraulic fracturing and refers to how the rock is fractured apart by the high pressure mixture. Experts also refer to a "frac job" and a "frac unit".

Why is it controversial?

The extensive use of fracking in the US, where it has revolutionised the energy industry, has prompted environmental concerns.

The first is that fracking uses huge amounts of water that must be transported to the fracking site, at significant environmental cost. The second is the worry that potentially carcinogenic chemicals used may escape and contaminate groundwater around the fracking site. The industry suggests pollution incidents are the results of bad practice, rather than an inherently risky technique.

There are also worries that the fracking process can cause small earth tremors. Two small earthquakes of 1.5 and 2.2 magnitude hit the Blackpool area in 2011 following fracking.

"It's always recognised as a potential hazard of the technique", says Professor Ernie Rutter from the University of Manchester, "But they're unlikely to be felt by many people and very unlikely to cause any damage."

Finally, environmental campaigners say that fracking is simply distracting energy firms and governments from investing in renewable sources of energy, and encouraging continued reliance on fossil fuels.

"Shale gas is not the solution to the UK's energy challenges," said Friends of the Earth energy campaigner Tony Bosworth. "We need a 21st century energy revolution based on efficiency and renewables, not more fossil fuels that will add to climate change."

What are the advantages of fracking?

Fracking allows drilling firms to access difficult-to-reach resources of oil and gas. In the US it has significantly boosted domestic oil production and driven down gas prices. It is estimated to have offered gas security to the US and Canada for about 100 years, and has presented an opportunity to generate electricity at half the CO2 emissions of coal.

The industry suggests fracking of shale gas could contribute significantly to the UK's future energy needs. A report by the Energy and Climate Change Committee in April said shale gas in the UK may help to secure energy supplies, but may not bring down gas prices.

Where is fracking taking place?

Reserves of shale gas have been identified across swathes of the the UK, particularly in the north of England. However no fracking is currently taking place, and drilling firms must apply for a fracking licence if they wish to do so in the future.

RD,

so as not to tax ST2 with a huge post :-) I'll give this link to the latest study on the impact (carbon footprint of fracking):

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/237330/MacKay_Stone_shale_study_report_09092013.pdf

In short (it is a 50 page document, but well worth the effort to read and understand the issues) it can be summarised by this comment:

".....adequately regulated, the carbon footprint of shale gas extraction and use will be comparable to gas extracted from conventional sources, lower than Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) and significantly lower than coal.2....."
 
Britain needs a left-wing party to balance things up a little, for as it is, most of them, Tories, Labour and the ridiculous UKIP, are staunchly right-wing entities.
 
a 50 page excuse? I dont think so

I'd rather count my toe clippings, and yes, some clearly defined politics would be wonderful instead of all this 'middle ground, mittle England' shite
 
Spursex - 14/10/2013 12:51

Real Deal - 14/10/2013 09:48

lol hardly a Tory love in. They are just simple better than Labour.

The only good thing is that Milliband has stopped the pretence and is moving labour to the far left and abandoning Blair's and Browns Centre-left strategy and Cameron is desperately trying to find ways to recapture the vote of so many disgruntled labour and Conservative voters which should have been his...as it is, UKIP just keeps gaining ground and unless there is a dramatic turnaround might do serious damage to the conservatives at the next election..

Good!

But with the disclaimer that the 'far left' for you is still to the right of Genghis Khan
 
ST2 - 15/10/2013 14:51

Spursex - 14/10/2013 12:51

Real Deal - 14/10/2013 09:48

lol hardly a Tory love in. They are just simple better than Labour.

The only good thing is that Milliband has stopped the pretence and is moving labour to the far left and abandoning Blair's and Browns Centre-left strategy and Cameron is desperately trying to find ways to recapture the vote of so many disgruntled labour and Conservative voters which should have been his...as it is, UKIP just keeps gaining ground and unless there is a dramatic turnaround might do serious damage to the conservatives at the next election..

Good!

But with the disclaimer that the 'far left' for you is still to the right of Genghis Khan

LOL!

Fair play, but then I'd say the Far Left for me is just right of Nick Clegg :10: