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Bart Simpson

Bart Simpson

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnq8EIyM0LQ

An FGR documentary coming next year - can't wait for that.

Amazing how the leftie luvvies like Keith Allen buy in to all this sustainable football nonsense whilst casually ignoring the fact that the self styled eco warrior is ripping off his own customers to fund his ego/folly/investment in a club with no fanbase and telling the worlds media it's sustainable.
 
impede - 4/8/2017 04:44

Why do you think he is ripping off his customers to fund FGR?
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I wondered that. Why is he ripping off his customers by spending money on FGR any more than another company that makes money? Surely it would be worse if he bought a fleet of Ferraris with his money ?

 
MaineRoad_96 - 3/8/2017 11:48

Leftie socialists coming to get you. Go hide under the bed with a rolled up Daily Mail!
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I wouldn't do that - everybody knows there are Reds Under The Bed! :pointy:
 
Ecotricity have received in excess of £36m in subsidies since 2002, and continues to get subsidies. It stinks that he throws so much at his football club.
 
impede - 3/8/2017 12:44

Why do you think he is ripping off his customers to fund FGR?
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That took just over an hour !

FWIW virtually all renewable energy is heavily subsidised without which it wouldn't be affordable. Its getting there slowley and will eventually be the solution to our energy needs so long as world population growth slows down. At the current rate the only viable solution is nuclear as our growth appears to be out of control.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projections_of_population_growth#/media/File:World_population_v3.svg
 
I don't follow the logic. Because his company receives subsidies he shouldn't be allowed to spend money on anything else ?

I'd rather we gave subsidies to green energy so we have a planet to live on in the future...
 
Rasenimp - 3/8/2017 13:41

I don't follow the logic. Because his company receives subsidies he shouldn't be allowed to spend money on anything else ?

I'd rather we gave subsidies to green energy so we have a planet to live on in the future...
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Really don't follow? Ecotricity gets subsidies and Ecotricity sponsor the football club which is owned by the same person. Ethically that does not sit well. Thankfully on shore wind subsidies are ending or maybe even have ended. Global warming is a huge problem, but unless the main culprits are brought into line we are peeing into the wind with our efforts.
 
Rasenimp - 3/8/2017 13:41

I don't follow the logic. Because his company receives subsidies he shouldn't be allowed to spend money on anything else ?

I'd rather we gave subsidies to green energy so we have a planet to live on in the future...
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If I've understood it right (not saying I have) if he didn't plough millions into FGR he wouldn't need as much government subsidies (ie tax payers money).

Bit like the government giving millions in tax payers money to Bob to support his poultry business and Bob then ploughing profits from business into LCFC.
 
I still don't really follow. I bet there are loads of millionaire bosses in the football league who get subsidies, tax breaks etc for their companies. Telecommunications execs, business owners etc. Hell, some get subsidies for building new stadiums when they could afford it themselves.

Not sure why Vince becomes the target when his business actually does something positive.
 
Nothing to do with subsidies at all. I'm in favour of renewable energy subsidies as a means to make clean energy competitive with fossil fuels. The current issue around monopolising electric vehicle charging infrastructure and profiteering from that monopoly. That will hardly encourage the uptake of electric vehicles.

My main problem with Dale Vince is its all smoke and mirrors and nothing is as it's portrayed when you dig a bit deeper. The whole sustainable football club is just an example of that nonsense and people buy it;

Prime example http://www.espn.co.uk/football/forest-green-rovers/story/3165687/eco-friendly-forest-green-rovers-from-tiny-nailsworth-take-root-in-football-league
 
All utility companies recieve subsidies not just Ecotricity. Ecotricity are in fact an incredibly small player in the utility market. Banks and investment brokers make far more money than Ecotricity does from utilities by trading and hedging whilst its in transport or in bonded storage. Nearly 70% of all the UK's gas is imported and that is set to rise to circa 90% as early as 2022 and that will mean more hedging and trading.
 
Bart Simpson - 4/8/2017 06:08

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/24/exclusive-green-energy-tycoon-eye-storm-electric-car-charging/
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Ah yes, The Telegraph. Known for its incessant critique of the free market... it's upset when prices increase... in line with the market. I guess you can have your cake and eat it.

I know I'm in the minority here on a football forum, and as much as I'm no FGR fan I quite like Vince. I think his promotion of sustainable energy and sustainable eating habits are to be lauded and its brave using a football club as a vehicle to promote those positive views.

 
Stevie_imp - 3/8/2017 13:35

impede - 3/8/2017 12:44

Why do you think he is ripping off his customers to fund FGR?
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That took just over an hour !

FWIW virtually all renewable energy is heavily subsidised without which it wouldn't be affordable. Its getting there slowley and will eventually be the solution to our energy needs so long as world population growth slows down. At the current rate the only viable solution is nuclear as our growth appears to be out of control.
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The game changer for renewable energy is battery storage.
 
The Electric Banana - 3/8/2017 14:36

Stevie_imp - 3/8/2017 13:35

impede - 3/8/2017 12:44

Why do you think he is ripping off his customers to fund FGR?
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That took just over an hour !

FWIW virtually all renewable energy is heavily subsidised without which it wouldn't be affordable. Its getting there slowley and will eventually be the solution to our energy needs so long as world population growth slows down. At the current rate the only viable solution is nuclear as our growth appears to be out of control.
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The game changer for renewable energy is battery storage.
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It doesn't *have* to be batteries, but they are the easiest way to store energy, I guess.

Certainly once we can easily store renewables, all those windy and sunny days become much more useful to us.
 
Bart Simpson - 4/8/2017 06:21

Nothing to do with subsidies at all. I'm in favour of renewable energy subsidies as a means to make clean energy competitive with fossil fuels. The current issue around monopolising electric vehicle charging infrastructure and profiteering from that monopoly. That will hardly encourage the uptake of electric vehicles.

My main problem with Dale Vince is its all smoke and mirrors and nothing is as it's portrayed when you dig a bit deeper. The whole sustainable football club is just an example of that nonsense and people buy it;

Prime example http://www.espn.co.uk/football/forest-green-rovers/story/3165687/eco-friendly-forest-green-rovers-from-tiny-nailsworth-take-root-in-football-league
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Can you explain this monopoly for me? I thought with the ever so friendly subsidies Vince gets, companies would be queuing up to invest in the electric vehicle charging infrastructure across the country?

Edit - that sounded barbed, I am genuinely interested in the monopoly bit as I am starting to see ecotricity everywhere.
 
NottyImp - 3/8/2017 14:40

The Electric Banana - 3/8/2017 14:36

Stevie_imp - 3/8/2017 13:35

impede - 3/8/2017 12:44

Why do you think he is ripping off his customers to fund FGR?
Click to expand...

That took just over an hour !

FWIW virtually all renewable energy is heavily subsidised without which it wouldn't be affordable. Its getting there slowley and will eventually be the solution to our energy needs so long as world population growth slows down. At the current rate the only viable solution is nuclear as our growth appears to be out of control.
Click to expand...

The game changer for renewable energy is battery storage.
Click to expand...

It doesn't *have* to be batteries, but they are the easiest way to store energy, I guess.

Certainly once we can easily store renewables, all those windy and sunny days become much more useful to us.
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It will be battery storage as that is where Government is targeting with thier subsidies and incentives - particulary around demand side resource programme where there are exceptionally good incentives at the moment up to £36kw/h.
 
The Electric Banana - 3/8/2017 15:08

NottyImp - 3/8/2017 14:40

The Electric Banana - 3/8/2017 14:36

Stevie_imp - 3/8/2017 13:35

impede - 3/8/2017 12:44

Why do you think he is ripping off his customers to fund FGR?
Click to expand...

That took just over an hour !

FWIW virtually all renewable energy is heavily subsidised without which it wouldn't be affordable. Its getting there slowley and will eventually be the solution to our energy needs so long as world population growth slows down. At the current rate the only viable solution is nuclear as our growth appears to be out of control.
Click to expand...

The game changer for renewable energy is battery storage.
Click to expand...

It doesn't *have* to be batteries, but they are the easiest way to store energy, I guess.

Certainly once we can easily store renewables, all those windy and sunny days become much more useful to us.
Click to expand...

It will be battery storage as that is where Government is targeting with thier subsidies and incentives - particulary around demand side resource programme where there are exceptionally good incentives at the moment up to £36kw/h.
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Depends on what it's for though. Agree that currently batteries storage is best for managing peaks but compressed air, pumped hydro and cryogenic storage are all proven and have a part to play.
 
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