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Draft system proposal

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GillsBluenose

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I see that knobhead MacAnthony is up to his old tricks again:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46559442

He says it would mirror the system in American sport which I was not familiar with.
My question would be that if there are 100 young players made available and each EFL team was allowed to pick two, in what order would they be allowed to pick?

MacAnthony seems to be looking for something for nothing as usual as he does not want to pay the wages but I suspect he would whinge if we, for instance, ended up with the young players he would have chosen.
 
Sounds like utter bullshit and it wouldn't work over here because the system is completely different, but American sport is weirdly socialistic in some ways, with the worst teams getting first pick of the best draft players.

The only way it would work here would be if you were to nationalise all football and have some sort of system with every player on a central contract. Which would be great in my opinion, but it's never, ever going to happen.

Other than that, you'd be looking at caps on squad numbers and salaries, and the big boys will never let that happen.
 
I think a better idea would be a limit on the numbers of youngsters the premier league academies were allowed to suck up. If they were limited to just one player in each age group for every full time English player in their match day squad it would be a start.
 
Agree with that entirely, but I can't see it happening.

What we need is a sports minister who is not controlled by vested interests and is prepared to go in there and kick bum. I have already humbly suggested myself on this board for this position but have so far failed to receive anything like the requisite support.

Names have been taken.

I am afraid to say that unless I am borne forthwith on the shoulders of the jubilant masses into Downing Street, the necessary adjustments to the organisation of football in this country will not be forthcoming.
 
If EFL chairman want to change the premier league loans .There is a simple answer .A universal agreement by all clubs at not to take premier league players on loan .We can't do anything to stop TV paying more and more silly money into the premier league.It will not be long before premier league under 23 games are screened with more viewing figures than the average league one game.The likelihood is nothing that helps us will happen but chairman need to address the possible and this has more legs than any the American system. A premier league loan ban could be in place if we could reach agreement with all other clubs at our level .A signature universal removal could help raise standards in the long run.
 
Alderman Barnes said:
Sounds like utter bullshit and it wouldn't work over here because the system is completely different, but American sport is weirdly socialistic in some ways, with the worst teams getting first pick of the best draft players.
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That's the way AFL works over here.

Each year, the upcoming youngsters are placed into the "draft" and clubs pick them based on order they finished that season. In an 18 team comp -

Bottom team gets pick 1, 19, 38 etc.
2nd bottom gets 2,20,39.
Top team has to wait for 18, 37, 56? etc


It is one small way of making the comp a bit more 'rotational' and helping the struggling sides. In theory you shouldn't get the same team(s) winning year on year forever.

Along with a salary cap it doesn't work too bad and there are a lot of teams each season with a very realistic chance of winning. And the "powerhouses" for a few seasons often end up the "cellar dwellers" 4 or 5 years later.

It's not infallible, but it does keep interest open.

But myself, I'd hate to see it in operation in England. It's just not "us".

It would tho, be good to see some sort of cap so the the rich don't keep getting richer at the expense of the poor.
 
The Draft system in the USA, that relates to the four major US sports, is superbly effective and ensures a level of parity that makes top level sport there entertaining and competitive for fans, owners and broadcasters alike. But, as has been alluded to in previous posts, to enable such a system in the UK would require grass roots re-construction so its introduction here is improbable, especially given that the current richest clubs would resist it !
 
LancsGordoRoad said:
The Draft system in the USA, that relates to the four major US sports, is superbly effective and ensures a level of parity that makes top level sport there entertaining and competitive for fans, owners and broadcasters alike
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It does no such thing. The same teams win, the same teams get most of the fans, and the same teams are always on primetime TV. Instead you get teams deliberately tanking (suck for Luck), as there is no relegation, and instead is a reward for coming last.
 
So if it works the way Keefy suggests, we would be given our choice before Posh and Macclesfield would be the team that benefited the most. I wonder if MacAnthony had actually worked that out?

I know we have Ogilvie from Spurs but I notice that article says that Posh already have three Championship players on loan, and does not even confirm that they are youngsters, although they probably are.
 
The way it works here (the draft with the afl) would never work in football. I think the whole culture around football and player ego’s would make it a non-starter. Players want to choose where they play, not be forced. And you also need a pretty rigorous salary cap so that all those youngsters are paid the same/similar amounts wherever they end up.

The other thing over here with afl, there are no transfers as such, just trades.
 
ThreeSixes said:
It does no such thing. The same teams win, the same teams get most of the fans, and the same teams are always on primetime TV. Instead you get teams deliberately tanking (suck for Luck), as there is no relegation, and instead is a reward for coming last.
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The teams with biggest fanbase will always get the bigger TV coverage. TV companies want viewers.

But are you sure the same teams always win?

I’ve never been a fan of most American sports, but a quick google shows that since the EPL was formed,N in the last 26 seasons there have been -

13 different winners of NFL Super Bowl (plus another 8 or 10 different runners up).

14 different World Series Baseball winners.

9 winners of the AFL (with Patriots and Steelers very prominent).

9 NBA winners (But Warriors Spurs and Lakers very dominant recently).


In the same time frame there has been 6 different EPL winners (and only 4 if it werent for 5000/1 shot Leicester and 1 season of Blackburn money).

So in 2 of the sports it seems to make a big difference. And a fair bit of a difference in the other 2. I am assuming a draft and salary cap is in place in all of those American sports, but I really don’t know.

Edit - think I may have got my afl, nfl, afc bits mixed up :( Anyway 4 different sports.
 
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ThreeSixes said:
It does no such thing. The same teams win, the same teams get most of the fans, and the same teams are always on primetime TV. Instead you get teams deliberately tanking (suck for Luck), as there is no relegation, and instead is a reward for coming last.
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I don't know how closely you follow USA pro sports. The no relegation point is true and some subscribe to your tanking comment but I can assure you that the Draft system works extremely well and does ensure a parity of competition. You cannot begin to compare the dominance of UK Premier teams with USA leagues. Its big news in the USA when top teams secure consecutive championships. USA top pro leagues also have financial transparency that far exceeds anything we have. NHL especially. Even when USA teams are at the most challenging point of their cyclical team building they remain highly competitive.
 
ThreeSixes said:
It does no such thing. The same teams win, the same teams get most of the fans, and the same teams are always on primetime TV. Instead you get teams deliberately tanking (suck for Luck), as there is no relegation, and instead is a reward for coming last.
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I agree with the point about teams tanking to get better draft picks but I disagree about the best teams always having the most fans etc. Having the most fans means little as the stadia all hold nearly the same and the merchandise etc revenue is mostly pooled together. The salary cap is another wonderfully thing we could learn a lot from.
 
I doubt the notion of 'tanking' would apply here. In American football, there is effectively one competition albeit in terms of league standing then the play offs; whereas, in the EFL there are numerous cup competitions alongside league standings, which don't fizzle out halfway through the season [as in the USA for some] - meaning you can go to the wire to secure [say] a play-off spot etc. On the last day of the season, there's barely more than a couple of dead rubber games in any division.
 
This system is all well and good in the ideal loanee world but the clubs would have to agree the loan/wages etc and the player would have to be suitable and want to play for the importing club. I can not ever see it happening in the proposed format but stranger things have happened.
 
Here, I've had another excellent idea.

The league champions (and only the league champions) get to play in the "Champions League", but at the same time, they are automatically relegated to the Fourth Division (as it will thenceforth be called again), just like Rangers did when they got caught fiddling.

That way, they can go and earn massive wedge in Europe, while spreading their wealth among the needy (naturally, I'll change the rules back so that gate receipts are shared again).

Once they've worked their way back up they can have another crack at it. Meanwhile, the money gets churned through the system in the most beneficial way possible. It's the football equivalent of crop rotation, or worms.

Sometimes I frighten myself with the brilliance of my ideas.
 
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GRSGimmer said:
This system is all well and good in the ideal loanee world but the clubs would have to agree the loan/wages etc and the player would have to be suitable and want to play for the importing club.
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Read the article again:
"Under MacAnthony's proposals EFL clubs would not contribute towards a player's wages from the draft, but would have to give them a certain percentage of playing time"

As I said, looking for something for nothing and failing to work out that under that system clubs currently under Posh would be strengthened more than they would be.
 
The big difference in the USA is that young players start at college / university - mostly on a Sports Scholarship.

Perhaps a more practical solution here is for sell-on fees to be compulsory.
That way all "finding" clubs get a % of a player's later success.

Smaller clubs would be incentivised to scout local talent.
Surely the entire game would benefit from more eyes on the look out ?
 
But that means a club has to find a 'star' which is not so easy as we know; whereas, the proposed draft system ensures clubs get potential talent. Yes, American footballers do go through the college system but in the UK players are subjects of soccer academies with the likelihood of much longer playing careers and many more clubs to ply their trade.
 
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