Dalian Atkinson dead
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Southern red
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Very sad news...I'm disgusted by some of the early reports making it black man dead etc
It's sad news no matter colour/race/religion....
It's sad news no matter colour/race/religion....
Redandwhite82
Vital Youth Team
Why?
White people also have died after the use of police taser. Whilst very sad they are not using it for fun, they use it as a result of being called to a difficult situation.
Pope John XXIII
Vital Football Legend
As crass as using the death of a footballer as a platform to have a go at another poster because you lost an argument weeks ago?
That level of crass you mean?
I personally don't know who Atkinson is, nor do I know the facts.
But it's a tragedy in the sense that this is an accidental death whichever way you look at it. Tasers are not meant to kill, although of course they can. I'm going to wait for the facts before making this into something that it might well not be and others should do the same.
All lives matter.
Redandwhite82
Vital Youth Team
Yes, yes I do. The last person to die from taser was a white ex serviceman. It's rubbish to think that they would use it just because someone is black. If you are black, white, Asian etc and are not putting yourself or anyone in danger I can guarantee you will not get shot by a police taser. It just won't happen.
If they are faced with danger I do not blame them for using it. They have my support 100%.
I think whatever the reason perhaps there are some other things to look at like the fact that todays footballers make a LOT LOT more money to retire on and the previous generations of footballers weren't on the inflated wages and so struggle with life after football..
I think the premiership / FA / Players association should look to give more help to them.
Of course it might not have anything to do with it and the trouble that caused this to happen!
I think the premiership / FA / Players association should look to give more help to them.
Of course it might not have anything to do with it and the trouble that caused this to happen!
Calvin Plummer
Vital Football Legend
It is sad news no matter what but there are a disproportionate number of black victims in police custody.
Pope John XXIII
Vital Football Legend
Not saying this has happened here, but footballer's of any generation can also be very vulnerable to being influenced/ targeted by very dodgy people and bad influences. These can be a huge drain on their money and career. Not sure what the PFA does about this, but these kinds of influences are even worse once the money stops coming in.
Calvin Plummer
Vital Football Legend
Here is a better way to remember him:
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15q1lu_dalian-atkinson-goal-wimbledon-2-aston-villa-3-premier-league-3-10-92_sport
Sidney Vicious
Vital 1st Team Regular
I would
Sidney Vicious
Vital 1st Team Regular
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nffcSaveChip
Vital Squad Member
Useless fact; Atkinson used to own a significant chunk of Lace Market properties in the late 90s.
Redandwhite82
Vital Youth Team
It's not as simple as that.
Perhaps a disproportionate amount of black people end up in police custody. Perhaps this is because black people have less opportunity in life and live in poorer areas, perhaps they then turn to crime.
Anyone who thinks the police go out to kill and black person or want to kill a black person in custody is quite simply bonkers.
Woanz
Vital Football Legend
It's not that they want to its that they don't take appropriate action that they otherwise would. I don't want to use the same example again but if any of the white players that Atkinson played with at Villa were involved in an incident the po po would be far less likely to taser & if they did they'd be straight over with the medical care. Things have improved greatly but there is still regular enquiries into police racism. They may well have been perfectly right in this situation as the usually are but there are many examples of being wrong that make people suspicious of them.
This is why you have q black lives matter campaign last few weeks have seen further Stephen Lawrence evidence requests, anniversaries of previous police deaths & now this. The overt racism seen in America is obviously not happening here but the dismissal of protests by some was nothing short of shameful.
Pope John XXIII
Vital Football Legend
No, it's not.
I have every right to disagree with a protest if i wish. I can disagree with a protest without dismissing the cause.
As with all things forest, it's easy for you to sit there when you are no where near Nottingham and pontificate about things that affect the lives of those who do live here.
And as with all things forest, you are just hot air Woanz. You don't lift a finger for forest and call it a crusade. What are you doing for the black lives matter cause other than supporting a protest you didn't even see in a city miles away that had no effect on you.
And in fact, you aren't even supporting the protest. You just used it as a diversion for an argument you were losing. Its a good job people of colour have better advocates than you, or things will never change
As for your argument about tasering... How do you know?
Surely it depends what the suspect is actually doing rather than their skin colour.
Police taser someone when they feel under threat or to stop a suspect getting away.
If a white footballer made them feel threatened then yes, I would expect them to do exactly the same thing as it is self preservation.
Do people of colour get stopped more? Apparently so. It's difficult to know why this is. It might be their perception is of a 'type' of person that is dodgy, and that might be based on experience and partly informed by race. I have no idea whether statistics support that perception or not.
But we don't want a situation where police are scared to stop a suspect because they are black and they are afraid of being hauled over the coals if they are wrong
in_the_top_one
Vital Football Legend
Ergh.
Reading 'All lives matter' as a put down to the Black Lives Matter campaign makes me sick.
Reading 'All lives matter' as a put down to the Black Lives Matter campaign makes me sick.
