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Current Season vs Past Seasons

AdebolaCornflakes

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As we head into another international break (sigh) I thought it may be interesting to look at how we compare to some previous seasons. Obviously no two seasons are the same, but I've had a look at previous seasons after 12 games taking into account our current Manager and obvious ambitions to challenge for promotion this season.

Our current position after 12 games is as follows:

Position: 5th
Won: 4
Drawn: 7
Lost: 1
Goals Scored: 17
Goals Conceded: 13
Points: 19

For me this has been a very reasonable start. We've had some poor performances, some good and some which have been somewhere in between, but to have only lost 1 game after 12 games is pretty impressive.

Perhaps it shouldn't these days, but the overreaction by some on here when we have a setback - or rather that we simply don't win - still surprises me. Some of the reactions after the Millwall game were case in point.

Maybe a comparison against other previous seasons will set some minds at ease. The obvious place to start is a comparison of last season...

2017-18 Season - After 12 games

Position: 14th
Won: 5
Lost: 7
Drawn: 0
Goals Scored: 15
Goals Conceded: 19
Points: 15

Although we were lower down the table at this point last year, I seem to recall that Warburton still had the backing of most fans. It's interesting to note that we had scored fewer goals. The interpretation of many - myself included - was that we were really good going forward but it was the defence which was our main issue. Our attack has often been criticised as slow and laboured this season, yet we've scored more goals than last season. Maybe this was expected given our investment in Grabban and Carvalho.

On the whole we have undoubtedly improved since last season.

2009-10 Season - After 12 games

Position: 7th
Won: 5
Drawn: 4
Lost: 3
Goals Scored: 14
Goals Conceded: 12
Points: 19

I've chosen this season as it was our best season in the last 15-odd years and I see a lot of similarities between it and this season: It was BD's first full season in charge and this is AK's; BD had signed a number of players including players he had on loan, as has AK; the team started slowly and particularly in the first 8-or-so games there was little to get excited about (Joe Garner on right wing, anyone?); performances this season have been stop-start but there have been glimpses of quality.

There are still a few on here (and only a few, thankfully) who compare every manager to BD and would love to see him return. Yet here we are with AK on the same number of points after the same number of games.

2014-15 Season - After 12 Games (Middlesbrough)

Position: 3rd
Won: 7
Lost: 3
Drawn: 2
Goals: 18
Conceded: 9
Points: 23

This is AK's first full season in charge of Boro. Obviously I can't remember anything about that Boro side but we can see that AK had them sitting in 3rd and with an extremely tight defence.

They lost 3 of their first 5 games that season but recovered strongly to eventually finish 4th, losing in the play-off final to Norwich and winning automatic promotion the following season.

I can't comment on what sort of football that Boro side played as I didn't watch much of them, but maybe the above stats are just a glimpse of what AK can do with us.

The above comparisons may not mean anything and some of you may think they're a load of shit. I've said since the Reading game that I see a lot of similarities between this team/Manager and the team/Manager of 2009-10; slow starters who will eventually 'click' and challenge towards the top of the table.

For now I shall sit back, log into my Factchecker account and call out the above stats as bullshit.
 
How do the point totals for the teams at the top of the league compare? The division feels more compressed this season but maybe that's just because we're slightly higher up than usual.
 
How do the point totals for the teams at the top of the league compare? The division feels more compressed this season but maybe that's just because we're slightly higher up than usual.

This is the top 6 in 2009-10 after 12 games:

1. West Brom - 24 Points
2. Newcastle - 24 Points
3. Cardiff - 20 Points
4. Boro - 20 Points
5. Blackpool - 19 Points
6. Preston - 19 Points

This is 2014-15:

1. Watford - 24 Points
2. Derby - 23 Points
3. Boro - 23 Points
4. Norwich - 21 Points
5. Forest - 21 Points
6. Ipswich - 20 Points

And this is last season:

1. Wolves - 26 Points
2. Cardiff - 24 Points
3. Sheff Utd - 24 Points
4. Bristol City - 21 Points
5. Preston - 21 Points
6. Ipswich - 21 Points

There's 6 points currently separating 1st and 6th, so the spread is quite similar. I think we'll now start to see a few gaps opening up in the table after the break.
 
I had a look back at the last 10 years and for us to finish in the top 6 (09/10 10/11) we had to win 20+ games (not very surprising)

We are currently winning 1 in 4 and across the season that’s not gonna get us to 20 wins (although every season is different 12/13 we got to 8th with 17 wins where 1 more win instead of a draw would have got us 6th)

From here on out we need to win every 1 in 2 games to get us to 21 that means turning draws into wins (obviously) but can be done
 
Based on current points we are on course for 72/3 points assuming no rise or slump in form.

The last time that was sufficient for a playoff place was 2013/4 but the minimum is usually between 74-80 points so just a slight rise in form should see us over the line.

Still nearly 3/4 of the season to go so plenty can happen and you can never tell just how many points will be needed.
 
Lets not boost this thread ffs. 12 hours and only half a dozen replies. Typical AC. NO SHAME
 
Notable how well Sheffield United have started the last 2 seasons chaps.They have done well in comparison to their budget.
 
Lets not boost this thread ffs. 12 hours and only half a dozen replies. Typical AC. NO SHAME

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