Botman
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Rza
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That would explain Botman's "form" he was never fully fit was he. I agree there has to be inquests but the manager has to take responsibility as well. He casually said in an interview other day about Gordon taking injections to play. It's not 1990 any more. Is our squad that bad that we can't rest or rehab a player for a few matches. It's common knowledge now Howe doesn't rotate so if he gets a reputation for forcing players to play through injury then that could be the end of him.
crooktownmags
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He certainly seems to rush his favourites back. I don't get it because surely in Burn he has a perfect Botman substitute? Oh yeah that's right, Burn has to play out of position.
The Owl
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Should have been operated on back in September instead they went ahead with him carrying an injury all season. one physio was sacked and it appears more need removing. In the end the buck stops with the manager.
I find his pre and post match interviews irritating, They hardly vary, we arent sure how long he will be out for, we will sort it out on the training ground, he is carrying an injury etc etc
I find his pre and post match interviews irritating, They hardly vary, we arent sure how long he will be out for, we will sort it out on the training ground, he is carrying an injury etc etc
Rza
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Well now we have another perfect opportunity to play Burn in Botmans position and have a proper full back at left back, but we all know burn will be there and Lascelles in the middle hoofing it back to the opposition. I'm now wondering is that why Lascelles got the contract extension because they knew about Botmans injury. I've a feeling this transfer window is going to be abysmal.
All of a sudden the London press have made our 2 most prized assets, Bruno and Isak up for grabs in the summer after Botman being out till Xmas. They quote FFP as the the reason and with Arsenal interested in Bruno. Considering Arsenal spent £250m last summer and are expected to be busy in the transfer market this summer it just shows what Masters and his cronies have done. Protect the 'super six' and anyone who tries to improve (and not just us) by spending more than is deemed too much, then it's a points deduction.
Toon_NoMatterWot
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I actually thought that Botman has looked overweight for most of the season and if anything good comes out of it then it may be that the club looks closer at the medical set up.
It isn't the managers job. He just goes on what information he's provided with although playing players that have had questionable injuries which have been spoken about in the media is another can of worms altogether. Botman's recent knee speculation as well as Longstaff's injections being two for starters.
In regards to FFP or whatever this week's version is called or whatever model of it there will be come the Summer, we have increased turnover massively so the lack of spend cant last forever. The bigger issue for us will be when they factor in stadium building or improvement costs into the budget and I reckon we have until Man Utd get theirs sorted before it changes.
It isn't the managers job. He just goes on what information he's provided with although playing players that have had questionable injuries which have been spoken about in the media is another can of worms altogether. Botman's recent knee speculation as well as Longstaff's injections being two for starters.
In regards to FFP or whatever this week's version is called or whatever model of it there will be come the Summer, we have increased turnover massively so the lack of spend cant last forever. The bigger issue for us will be when they factor in stadium building or improvement costs into the budget and I reckon we have until Man Utd get theirs sorted before it changes.
Rza
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Are you having a laugh? Not only does the manager have the final say on who plays he PICKS the medical staff! I know you think the sun shines out of Eddie's hole but it's getting embarrassing at this point.
Toon_NoMatterWot
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What's embarrassing is not accepting the facts and looking for any excuse to blame the current manager and his set up. When we win or do well with him, it's rosey but when we hit a bad injury crisis and lose or play badly, it's criticism and over the top stuff at that. It makes the fanbase look shallow.
For whatever reason, we have the highest by a mile, of player missing days. By far the greatest in the league and we have suffered. Howe, the medical team or whoever has got the blame for this. The facts point to otherwise because most of them have been freak injuries although the inexperience of the extra games will not have helped everyone concerned and i include Eddie Howe in that.
As for the Botman injury, the fact is, is that it is Botman and him alone to blame according to Sky and those close to the club. When he got his original injury, he saw a few different specialists outside the club who between themselves couldnt agree on the best course of treatment because ACL injuries are treated much differently now to how they used to be done.
It was basically agreed that the injury Botman had was a partial tear with one specialist advising to get an operation in order to protect his future career although agreed that rest could just be as fitting with a much shorter timescale if it was successful. Due to the injury crisis, Botman wanted to get back and play, not sit around for 9 months recuperating although it has been said that Howe and the club wanted him to have the operation, Botman got the final decision and decided against it.
The Owl
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It is the absolutely the Manager's job to decide who plays and who does not
Toon_NoMatterWot
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I was talking about which players are fit or not and If Howe has been given the information from the medics that a player can be played then that's that. Nee mention of anyone else picking a team.
Rza
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Are you a bit thick? It's the medics job to assess injuries. It the MANAGER'S job to make the final call on whether to risk the player. You don't need to be a genius to work out that Howe will play a 50-50 player rather than rest them. He 100% has the power to over rule the medics. Your blind loyalty to him is almost as pathetic as his blind loyalty towards certain players. This season has been a complete shambles in terms of injury rehabs and rushing players back. Not just 1 bad call - almost all of them. Howe himself has recently admitted making mistakes in that regard and here you are trying to defend the indefensible. Its embarrassing
Toon_NoMatterWot
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Wasn't going to bother replying as I cant be arsed to deal with people who hide behind their keyboard with their attempts of abuse but just to waste my own time and energy, I couldn't give a fuck what your opinion is because I don't agree with it. Plain and simple. I wont abuse you by questioning your mental capacity though.
As for loyalty or blind loyalty as you suggest, I am fully behind Howe like every other proper fan should be because he has enough credit in the bank to be afforded an off season and an off season that has factually had plenty of freak injuries whether you like it or not.
If you read through my many comments about many things and if you understand the varying context of things then you will see the times I have praised and see the times I have criticised Howe. Plus for the million'th time it can't be possible for a team that has clearly been slammed as overachieving one season to be then be hit by injuries badly the next and be in a more realistic place than what the likes you expect so in regards to if anything's pathetic or embarrassing then it's the fact of your expectation level.
I have faith that Howe will come good next season because of my reasoning in regards to inexperience, bad luck and scheduling. I also had faith in the likes of Rafa and Chris Hughton. Also in Keegan, Shearer, Bobby Robson, Jack Charlton (to start with), Willie McFaul, Ossie Ardiles, Jim Smith, Arthur Cox, Glen Roeder and Kenny Dalglish for fucks sake. The many other managers that have been here during my lifetime that I haven't mentioned haven't been given that faith by me as I Identified various issues or dislikes apart from Joe Harvey, who was manager when I was born, as I was too young to remember.
My loyalty isn't blind, it's from over 50 years of experience of living within 5 miles or so of St James', living and breathing everything Newcastle from the days of getting 3 minutes of highlights on the local news or the excitement of rushing home from the match on a Saturday to be one of the first to get 'The Pink' from the local newsagent to find out if your view was matched by the journalists or to see the other scores.
If, as I expect, that Howe comes good again next season then make sure you don't praise him as you said you can't defend the indefensible because if anything's embarrassing then it would be that.
The Owl
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Just because Howe has credit in the bank, does not mean he is immune from criticism.
I have repeatedly said he has done a very good job but Ido not believe he is the man to take us to the highest level
Prepared to give
him the chance but think it will be time wasted. Time will tell, we all have our opinions.
I have repeatedly said he has done a very good job but Ido not believe he is the man to take us to the highest level
Prepared to give
him the chance but think it will be time wasted. Time will tell, we all have our opinions.
Rza
Vital Champions League
Lol that's a lot of words for someone who "doesn't give a fuck". I didn't abuse you I simply asked you a question because you're posting the same shit over and over. Ok you love Eddie - we get it. Its funny because I've seen you on other threads ridicule people for being "woke" and being "snowflakes" and here you are being a little woke snowflake crying abuse because somebody doesn't agree with your opinion. Like The Owl said I also have praised Eddie in the past at the brilliant job he's done. I've also stated and will state again he deserves next season. He's a good coach good motivator but he has limits and he has reached the peak of those limits in my opinion. There's nothing I want more to be proved wrong and him to be sitting here 5 years from now after winning our first trophy. Unfortunately though I'm a realist, and for someone who refuses to adapt and keep an open mind in regards to tactics in football then its extremely hard to see happening - unless we see a complete change of character, which let's be honest is very unlikely. Not to mention the very basic mistakes he doesn't seem to be learning from. IE rushing players back from injury and favouritism toward certain players.
Toon_NoMatterWot
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tooninkent
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Eddie admits Botman had a partial tear and was advised to have surgery then and chose not to. Just brilliant could have been back towards the start of the new season. Instead out until 2025.
Rza
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I hope the medical team have learned from this but it really does scream naivety. I'm just hoping there's someone to stand up and say "no" let's not risk it. Just seems the management team are surrounded by yes men who won't challenge the status quo.
