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Wild Willy

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Was a bit of a naughty boy, but six years is more than the average terrorist gets. Should of had a slapped hand and told not to do it again. I can't condone his actions, but a few months later and what he did would have been perfectly legal. In Holland and many other countries, his actions would have been considered within the law.

So, forget the political correctness, what do you think, and would you have him at Spurs ?
 
What really made me wonder about this is the talk of 'stripping' him of his England caps. How does that work then? Is history airbrushed and all official records altered to show someone else played in a game and not him? Who gets credited with the goals he scored? Are they wiped out and results changed to reflect the new score line? Also will he be made to physically hand back his caps? Remember his mis-demeaners were nothing to do with his on pitch performances. He has been punished by having his liberty removed, would a second punishment be unjust?
 
He's a nonce and if he'd have done that to my daughter I'd be the one doing time.
He knew her age... He didn't meet some dressed up to the 9s little tramp in a night club.
He knew what he was doing.... Dirtbag of a human being.... That said don't see how stripping him of his caps makes any odds.
 
pokerfaced - 26/3/2016 16:30

What really made me wonder about this is the talk of 'stripping' him of his England caps. How does that work then? Is history airbrushed and all official records altered to show someone else played in a game and not him? Who gets credited with the goals he scored? Are they wiped out and results changed to reflect the new score line? Also will he be made to physically hand back his caps? Remember his mis-demeaners were nothing to do with his on pitch performances. He has been punished by having his liberty removed, would a second punishment be unjust?
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I've voted for hanging. That's how I feel (I mean donkey porn come on!) However you are total correct about the cap talk it was rubbish. Can't go back in time and alter records foolish stuff.
 
I don't really know the in's and out's of all of it. If my daughter ever did what that girl did though I would be absolutely ******* furious with her as well as him. How much did she consent to? I'm not excusing his actions, but what's the other side of it? I'm genuinely asking, as I haven't followed it.
 
dogeatdog - 26/3/2016 17:40

He's a nonce and if he'd have done that to my daughter I'd be the one doing time.
He knew her age... He didn't meet some dressed up to the 9s little tramp in a night club.
He knew what he was doing.... Dirtbag of a human being.... That said don't see how stripping him of his caps makes any odds.
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The fact is though that the vast amount of girls have had sex before they are 16. Is it any worse if they have had sex with another teenager or a man in his twenties, and if not, should one go to prison for 6 years, and the the other be forgiven?
 
Matic - 26/3/2016 18:32

I don't really know the in's and out's of all of it. If my daughter ever did what that girl did though I would be absolutely ******* furious with her as well as him. How much did she consent to? I'm not excusing his actions, but what's the other side of it? I'm genuinely asking, as I haven't followed it.
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I haven't followed the case, but that's my view really.

I think the parents saw the £ signs as it was s PL footballer - he takes 90 percent of the blame and deserves to be in jail, but she isn't innocent
 
Kinygerbils - 26/3/2016 18:59

Matic - 26/3/2016 18:32

I don't really know the in's and out's of all of it. If my daughter ever did what that girl did though I would be absolutely ******* furious with her as well as him. How much did she consent to? I'm not excusing his actions, but what's the other side of it? I'm genuinely asking, as I haven't followed it.
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I haven't followed the case, but that's my view really.

I think the parents saw the £ signs as it was s PL footballer - he takes 90 percent of the blame and deserves to be in jail, but she isn't innocent
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How dare you ask such questions- are you really not aware that the masses will label you a politically correct leftist libertarian. :19:

Whatever your view- I'll drink to yah... :8:
 
Wild Willy - 26/3/2016 16:02

Was a bit of a naughty boy, but six years is more than the average terrorist gets. Should of had a slapped hand and told not to do it again. I can't condone his actions, but a few months later and what he did would have been perfectly legal. In Holland and many other countries, his actions would have been considered within the law.

So, forget the political correctness, what do you think, and would you have him at Spurs ?
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Your forum name sums up why Johnson got into trouble in the first place!
 
I fully understand why some people may think that a 15 year old girl having sex is no big deal, and most of us if not all of us knew someone (or many) at school who indulged pre 16.
Adam Johnson was not unlucky or hard done by as some may think. He is a sexual predator who groomed a young girl by using his status as her "hero" to manipulate her despite being fully aware of her age and the implications should he get caught.
His total disregard for the girl, his girlfriend, child, profession, club, and its fans is there for all to see. Rather than put his hands up when he was caught he lied about his actions, he called the girl a liar which resulted in many months of the girl being trolled over the internet having her life made a living nightmare.
Her parents have not tried to use the situation for their own financial gain, the girl did not try to trick him into something, but was star struck and spending time with her hero was beyond what most of us could ever do. That is not a crime. To groom a child for your own sexual gratification then have sexual contact with them is, and that is why Adam Johnson is in jail.
Adam Johnson has lost everything. His profession and all the perks that go with being a professional premier league footballer, his career, his freedom and his girlfriend. His child will grow up knowing her dad is a nonce who when released will sign on to the sex offenders register for the rest of his life because he is not safe to be around children. He lost it all because playing for Sunderland and England, earning 100K a week, having a Net worth of 9million, living in a 1.5m mansion, having a loving girlfriend and baby daughter wasn't enough for him, he wanted everything then more, but what overrides that is the fact that he groomed a child. Look past the fact that she had just turned 15 and would've been 16 in 8 months so it would've been nice and legal for him, the thrill for Johnson was that she was pre 16 and in the eyes of anyone decent still a child.
Anyone who blames the girl I genuinely hope you don't have children because I couldn't imagine the damage you would do to them if you were in her parents shoes. To condemn a child who was a victim of grooming and a sexual predator is sick, to feel sorry for Johnson IMHO isn't much better. 6 years? I would rather it had been 10 then at least it may make other people like Johnson think twice.
I don't aim any of my comments to any of the posters personally, my views are just that. My views.
And to answer your question would I have Johnson a convicted child sex offender at Spurs? If we signed him I would never go back.
 
I genuinely agree with everything you've said WTSGMI. I'm glad he's being put away because he knew the law and the way he has acted is deserving of stronger punishment. I am a parent myself and I live in daily fear of what so many people are capable of these days. All to often I hear about arseholes trying to snatch up kids near where I live and it makes me never want to let my daughter or son leave my sight.

But I still don't think she is off the hook though. She even admitted herself that she was disappointed in herself. There is a massive difference between meeting and spending time with your "hero" and getting into a situation where you're being groomed. At the point where he starts to send explicit WhatsApp messages, she should be seeing the signs and stepping back if it is something she didn't want. If it was my daughter allowing herself to get into this situation I would be furious with her. I'd want to kill him, but I'd be furious at her for not deleting him from WhatsApp and avoiding seeing him before it got as far as it did. If she was genuinely not mindful enough to see what was happening before her eyes then you have to question her parents' role in not helping to educate her to the dangers of these things happening.

Johnson is going to jail for a very good reason, but she put herself into the situation and did let herself down by doing so.
 
This young girl is not at fault anywhere here imo..... He's a wrongun end of.
He even looked up age of consent the scummy ****.
 
WTSGMI - 26/3/2016 19:48

Look past the fact that she had just turned 15 and would've been 16 in 8 months so it would've been nice and legal for him,
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I'm being devils advocate here, but that isn't that easy. Under our present law if a girl is 15 years and 364 days old he goes to prison for 6 years, the next day it's fine. A 10 year old gird girl is a child, a 15 year old girl is a young woman. Most the girls I went to school with were not virgins at the age of fifteen, and in fact my sister certainly wasn't. Many of these girls were going out with men in their twenties. What he did may have been wrong, but I think he has been tried by the media, and if this was an unknown Asian lad from Rotherham he probably would have been given community service.
 
A 15 and 364 days old in the eyes of the law is a child full stop. I am not patronising you but you have to understand there is a world of difference between a 15 year old having sexual contact with a boyfriend and a 15 year old being groomed by a paedophile. A relationship between 2 people say aged 15 and 24 where everything is equal would be judged like that in court, This girl wasn't out to trap Johnson, she was groomed. Adam Johnson wasn't the victim of pulling a girl in a nightclub only to find she was underage if he was I would every sympathy for the situation, but he groomed her knowing her age and even researched the age of consent. Don't think Adam Johnson was unlucky or hard done by, he didn't get 6 years because of the girls age, He got 6 years because of what he is. The court has access to many things that cannot be reported and a judgment will take that into consideration. He was caught before he had the chance to do real damage to her and others and sentenced accordingly to the information the judge had. I work with this daily and will guarantee you he would've carried on and on. Maybe not have gone down the ages but all the signs are there for every alarm bell within the service to be ringing. At some point the court transcription will be on the net. I will 100% guarantee after you read it you will change your mind because you will see what a devious and dangerous person he is
 
Matic - 26/3/2016 22:20

I genuinely agree with everything you've said WTSGMI. I'm glad he's being put away because he knew the law and the way he has acted is deserving of stronger punishment. I am a parent myself and I live in daily fear of what so many people are capable of these days. All to often I hear about arseholes trying to snatch up kids near where I live and it makes me never want to let my daughter or son leave my sight.

But I still don't think she is off the hook though. She even admitted herself that she was disappointed in herself. There is a massive difference between meeting and spending time with your "hero" and getting into a situation where you're being groomed. At the point where he starts to send explicit WhatsApp messages, she should be seeing the signs and stepping back if it is something she didn't want. If it was my daughter allowing herself to get into this situation I would be furious with her. I'd want to kill him, but I'd be furious at her for not deleting him from WhatsApp and avoiding seeing him before it got as far as it did. If she was genuinely not mindful enough to see what was happening before her eyes then you have to question her parents' role in not helping to educate her to the dangers of these things happening.

Johnson is going to jail for a very good reason, but she put herself into the situation and did let herself down by doing so.
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I hear what you say Matic. but don't confuse Adam Johnson and this girl as a couple of horny teenagers where she got into a situation then cries foul.
She had been groomed before she knew she was in trouble. There are a lot of similarities with this and abusive relationships when the damage has been done before the person realises and reacts. The tactics Groomers/sexual predators use boarder on the genius sometimes and trust me she did not allow herself to be groomed no more than a person allows themselves to be abused or rapped. His tactic was to use who he was and what he meant to her as his way in then made her feel guilty by telling her what would happen to him, her hero should she say anything to anyone and this way putting all the guilt on her to buy her silence

God forbid it should ever happen to your daughter but it wouldn't be her fault or yours for not educating her, these are evil people who set out to abuse before the child even realises they are being abused. I see on a daily basis parents who blame themselves or their children but the real danger is when people don't think what Adam Johnson or people like him did was wrong or think he was hard done by.

Don't look at the age of the girl and think if she was a year older it would be alright or confuse it with someone being pulled in a night club only to find they are underage because she was a child and he knowingly groomed and had sexual contact with a child.
 
I applaud you for having the patience going into such detail WTSGMI. I really thought there would hardly be anyone with the line of thought presented here. Law is the law ... I thought there was enough publicity / discussions over the years re Gary Glitter, Savile and so on to inform us all .... but obviously not.
 
first this isn't a topic for the spurs boards, and second, I find it a disgusting thread/post... are we really going to discuss whether 6 years is too much for a child sexual predator.. playing semantics with on the six months difference for age on consent for a man 10 year a girls senior manipulating her.. Really? you can go on for days about how fast you think she/little girls are now, that's besides the point.. you don't need a backstory to figure out how much she encouraged it.. the law deems that at her age she cannot give consent and it is incumbent on an adult to not engage, even if she is literally knocking your door down.. are you old gezzer that old to forget how fragile a child's mind is at these ages..

again absolutely disgusting.. an its' opinions like these that see men still praying on children..
 
From a purely objective standpoint I would like to point out that being a child sex offender is not the same as being a Paedophile.
A Paedophile, in law and in reality, is any person that has a sexual attraction to prepubescent children and it is considered a mental disorder, even if it is not carried out as a physical act.
We cannot and should not make any assumptions that this is what Johnson is, regardless of what we may feel about his proven actions.
In effect, a child just turning 16 would be considered a sex offender when having a sexual relationship with a child that is just 1 year younger.
I feel that if we are to make any sensible, intelligent and adult response to all this then we should at least understand the difference.
 
alpine74, I agree about this being in the wrong place.
I just felt impelled to make the above point as I feel it's an important one.
 
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