Marco Polo
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Everything gone up because of them. This greed, this thirst for money was created by the Tories.
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Everything gone up because of them. This greed, this thirst for money was created by the Tories.
Strett
Vital Football Hero
Damn the Tory Government and their Premier League.
I bet it was that Kwasi Kwarteng chap, that urged us by virtual association, to buy Jesse Lingard. He and his Tory-ilk subverting the ordinarily, naturally socialist dealings and principles in player transfers.
Hopefully, under a proletariat Labour-ran government, we can look forward to ticket prices being reduced.
Strett
Vital Football Hero
It's 22.5% increase in Lower Trent End, not 30%.
Last season was £465, this season it's £570.
#strettonomics
seasider red
Vital 1st Team Regular
I'm not directly affected by this as I am not a season card holder, but looking from the outside in it looks to me as if the club have decided that they can afford to take the backlash from the fans on the basis that any that don't renew there is a waiting list of 10000+ who would be only too happy to take their place.
I suppose their thinking is that people will moan & complain (quite rightly) but in the end most will pay up, renew & the moaning will soon subside, so from a purely business point of view it is an easy decision for them.
I have seen some quotes from people at the younger end of the age spectrum that are quoting price rises from paying £150 to now £850 due to the goalposts moving on concessions. On the face of it this sound particularly unreasonable, but on the other hand £150 was ridiculously cheap, however young people in those age groups are the future of the club so ought to nurtured. A real tricky one for the club.
The really sad thing for me is if we are fortunate enough to stay in the PL then these price hikes are only the beginning, you can see this will be an annual debate, & as long as demand continues to outstrip supply then it will continue.
Some I notice were blaming the Tories which I presume was tongue in cheek, but there is some political involvement here that is helping to limit the supply by constantly delaying the potential ground improvements which would release several thousand new seats into the supply chain thus making it a bit more tricky for the club to keep pumping up the prices.
The bottom line is that this is modern football, the game I knew & have loved for over 70 years has gone along with the days when you got to the ground early, queued until the turnstiles opened, paid you half a crown or 5 bob depending on your age, went in, got your favourite place on the terraces and enjoyed the game. It is no longer the working mans game sadly
I suppose their thinking is that people will moan & complain (quite rightly) but in the end most will pay up, renew & the moaning will soon subside, so from a purely business point of view it is an easy decision for them.
I have seen some quotes from people at the younger end of the age spectrum that are quoting price rises from paying £150 to now £850 due to the goalposts moving on concessions. On the face of it this sound particularly unreasonable, but on the other hand £150 was ridiculously cheap, however young people in those age groups are the future of the club so ought to nurtured. A real tricky one for the club.
The really sad thing for me is if we are fortunate enough to stay in the PL then these price hikes are only the beginning, you can see this will be an annual debate, & as long as demand continues to outstrip supply then it will continue.
Some I notice were blaming the Tories which I presume was tongue in cheek, but there is some political involvement here that is helping to limit the supply by constantly delaying the potential ground improvements which would release several thousand new seats into the supply chain thus making it a bit more tricky for the club to keep pumping up the prices.
The bottom line is that this is modern football, the game I knew & have loved for over 70 years has gone along with the days when you got to the ground early, queued until the turnstiles opened, paid you half a crown or 5 bob depending on your age, went in, got your favourite place on the terraces and enjoyed the game. It is no longer the working mans game sadly
Phatnovice
Vital 1st Team Regular
I wonder how many of those have paid the £10 for the privilege of being told that there are no season cards left?
Put the blame on PL and new S&P rules. To remain competitive they have to increase income. With low supply and high demand the price will be high. If they can increase supply with 10,000 extra seats then prices would remain static. Sponsorship will be related to success, as will hospitality. In the premier league expect premier prices. The alternative is championship. Choices.
Strett
Vital Football Hero
I think the £150-£850 is incorrect. Using the Trent End Lower, as I have those figures, my nephew's has gone from £90-£570. Still a big jump though.
For me, it's another £5.50/game, which doesn't really sound that unreasonable, but I bet the car-park will add a £1 and the Madri in the ground, served in an opaque paper cup where you cannot see the size of the head, will go up 50p/pint.
Pricing many out, but I see the need for incremental increases. A tough one.
Strett
Vital Football Hero
The piss flowing down the terrace is now replaced by the piss on the toilet floor.
Strett
Vital Football Hero
Have you seen Sheffield Wednesday's prices. They may be League one next season too...
weejockmcplop
Vital Champions League
Those damn tories
seasider red
Vital 1st Team Regular
You are of course spot on, in return for these price rises people are fully entitled to expect an enhanced matchday experience. However piss covered floors given the volume of people using the toilets in a short space of time and the fact that a lot of them will have had a few is a question that I don't know the answer to. & I'm not trying to stick up for the club here it is down to them to try to find an answer
mao tse tung
Vital Champions League
This is what happens when you pay big wages for mediocre players.
I think everyone was expecting a rise in price, it's the manner in which it has been imposed which many have found upsetting, particularly the inflammatory tweets from the club.
I would find the rise more palatable if there were some basic amenities in the ground, like hot water and edible food.
And we come in at a lowly 16th place for price rises.
It just shows what the Clubs in the PL actually think of their paying customers.
I think everyone was expecting a rise in price, it's the manner in which it has been imposed which many have found upsetting, particularly the inflammatory tweets from the club.
I would find the rise more palatable if there were some basic amenities in the ground, like hot water and edible food.
And we come in at a lowly 16th place for price rises.
It just shows what the Clubs in the PL actually think of their paying customers.
CornishForest
Vital Reserves Team
But that’s just it though, chances are it will be championship next season and as for the waiting list, let’s how big that waiting list is when we’re losing to Portsmouth in a midweek game.
If we had had Wolves or Bournemouth’s season I think most would begrudgingly accept it. But we haven’t, we’ve had a season of trying to stay 1 point ahead of the mighty big spending Luton.
Given what’s transpired this season I really think the club should have frozen this idea. It really is going to backfire badly in the long term I fear.
It's the method of delivery of the announcement & subsequent tweets though, someone described it as passive aggressive - with 11000 people waiting in the wings to snap up your ST if you don't renew!!
I don't think many fans fail to recognise the fiscal support that the owner has put into our club (notwithstanding a fair amount of financial mismanagement) and I'd be confident that everyone expected an increase in renewal prices, but there are limits - this is just not palatable for many people and the timing is all wrong, when you really should be trying to galvanise the support ahead of 2 crucial home fixtures.
I've tried to reflect and rationalise, but my biggest worry is that we have bigger financial problems ahead and that this is actually a necessity.... probably overthinking it though!
Still disappointed!
No doubt someone will have the figures but I'm sure we have c21000 season ticket holders.
Ground holds just under 30k and I think we have to give 10% to away fans - with the freebies players/staff get, they must be hoping that a lot in Zones 1 & 2 move to cheaper areas so they make more from matchday ticket sales to members?
Respect to you for renewing so quickly, I'll keep my £3000 in my pocket until the last day, then pop on the credit card to get reward points.
Be interesting to see if there are any announcements/reaction from the club to the statements from Supporters Trust, Forza & the FSA?
Pope John XXIII
Vital Football Legend
Pretty sure I paid £440 last season
forestfire_59
Vital 1st Team Regular
Good move - it will be cheaper in the long run
forestfire_59
Vital 1st Team Regular
As I can’t get to matches anyway, I guess I am able to take a more dispassionate view of this. For me the issues are:-
To what extent do season tickets constitute overall revenue. To make the maths easy let’s say 30,000 x £500 = £15 million? With sky at say £100 million and advertising/hospitality ? So attendance 10 to 15% of total revenue.
If we go down we won’t get the sky money but will get parachute payments instead. So the proportion suggested above rises substantially.
As stated in previous posts, it’s supply and demand. 10k on waiting list. No doubt you can get cheaper tickets at Derby County, Notts County and Mansfield
If we go down, to what extent can we reduce costs? Bye Bye Dominguez, MGW, Danilo and anyone else ?
Even if we stay up will we be able to keep the same quality of players and stay within sustainability rules.
Is it cynical from the club to try to get money in the bank before we know which devision we are in? Or is it reasonable to give existing ticket holders as much time as possible to renew.
No easy answers
To what extent do season tickets constitute overall revenue. To make the maths easy let’s say 30,000 x £500 = £15 million? With sky at say £100 million and advertising/hospitality ? So attendance 10 to 15% of total revenue.
If we go down we won’t get the sky money but will get parachute payments instead. So the proportion suggested above rises substantially.
As stated in previous posts, it’s supply and demand. 10k on waiting list. No doubt you can get cheaper tickets at Derby County, Notts County and Mansfield
If we go down, to what extent can we reduce costs? Bye Bye Dominguez, MGW, Danilo and anyone else ?
Even if we stay up will we be able to keep the same quality of players and stay within sustainability rules.
Is it cynical from the club to try to get money in the bank before we know which devision we are in? Or is it reasonable to give existing ticket holders as much time as possible to renew.
No easy answers
