So Wilder clearly thinks we can and will lose every game

[Raumdeuter]

Just looking at the Norwich squad and there's Buendia, Cantwell, Onel Hernandez, Placheta, Vrancic, Stiepermann and Dowell in there.

Maybe not enough PL quality, CW certainly didn't see Dowell as being good enough, but plenty of Championship match winners. We on the other hand don't have a specialist attacking midfielder in the squad.

I'm more worrield that we'll endure a first season back like Huddersfield did than I'm hopeful we'll have a season like Norwich are having.

 

[Redalwaysablade]

Is Wilder taiking about his own future or of the Plan he says he is working to ?

He has been consistent with saying he has the say on players, he has already alluded to the fact that Berge may leave, no surprise, some will say he won’t be missed, either way if more are sold then it seems inevitable to me that CW will walk, if you say you have a short, medium and long term strategy, then you must surely hold onto the core of the team, he has been robbed of the cornerstone of his game plan and more, I don’t think we’ve been sussed out, rather we’ve lost the key players. You can argue that we should have an alternative plan, but clearly we don’t have the squad depth to have major changes. Accept we haven’t been good enough and go again, but keep adding to the squad, how that is financed going forward for me is the key, if we’re at the maximum we can sustain, then the Prem clearly is a step too far for the Owner.

 

[Blade for Life]

Is Wilder taiking about his own future or of the Plan he says he is working to ?

He has been consistent with saying he has the say on players, he has already alluded to the fact that Berge may leave, no surprise, some will say he won’t be missed, either way if more are sold then it seems inevitable to me that CW will walk, if you say you have a short, medium and long term strategy, then you must surely hold onto the core of the team, he has been robbed of the cornerstone of his game plan and more, I don’t think we’ve been sussed out, rather we’ve lost the key players. You can argue that we should have an alternative plan, but clearly we don’t have the squad depth to have major changes. Accept we haven’t been good enough and go again, but keep adding to the squad, how that is financed going forward for me is the key, if we’re at the maximum we can sustain, then the Prem clearly is a step too far for the Owner.

I agree but if that is the case why has the Prince spread his finances so thin by buying shares in a number of clubs ?. All smacks of vanity to me.

 

[Bulmer1889]

Is Wilder taiking about his own future or of the Plan he says he is working to ?

He has been consistent with saying he has the say on players, he has already alluded to the fact that Berge may leave, no surprise, some will say he won’t be missed, either way if more are sold then it seems inevitable to me that CW will walk, if you say you have a short, medium and long term strategy, then you must surely hold onto the core of the team, he has been robbed of the cornerstone of his game plan and more, I don’t think we’ve been sussed out, rather we’ve lost the key players. You can argue that we should have an alternative plan, but clearly we don’t have the squad depth to have major changes. Accept we haven’t been good enough and go again, but keep adding to the squad, how that is financed going forward for me is the key, if we’re at the maximum we can sustain, then the Prem clearly is a step too far for the Owner.

Said the other day red you either get the players that fit your system or change the system to fit the players CW has done neither,to carry on doing the same thing with the same result is the definition of stupidity

 

[Bulmer1889]

Just looking at the Norwich squad and there's Buendia, Cantwell, Onel Hernandez, Placheta, Vrancic, Stiepermann and Dowell in there.

Maybe not enough PL quality, CW certainly didn't see Dowell as being good enough, but plenty of Championship match winners. We on the other hand don't have a specialist attacking midfielder in the squad.

I'm more worrield that we'll endure a first season back like Huddersfield did than I'm hopeful we'll have a season like Norwich are having.

I’d say more likely Huddersfield than Norwich in the way we took momentum up into the prem after such an horrendous season I can’t see us not taking momentum down with us and how things are panning out there’s little to no chance of it turning round this season players don’t just draw a line under what happened and go again with a fresh start just look at when chris first came into the club

 

[Redalwaysablade]

Said the other day red you either get the players that fit your system or change the system to fit the players CW has done neither,to carry on doing the same thing with the same result is the definition of stupidity

Then he should be given time and resources to implement those changes, if indeed they are necessary, he seems to have been denied the finances to try and bolster, or add players that can play in other ways, I accept that since lockdown the performance levels have dropped markedly, add that to the injuries and it’s no surprise that results have suffered and would have irrespective of the formation played in my humble opinion. Expectations were unrealistically high after last season’s heroics, given the short turn round into this season it was no surprise to me that we slumped.

 

[tomytony]

Is Wilder taiking about his own future or of the Plan he says he is working to ?

He has been consistent with saying he has the say on players, he has already alluded to the fact that Berge may leave, no surprise, some will say he won’t be missed, either way if more are sold then it seems inevitable to me that CW will walk, if you say you have a short, medium and long term strategy, then you must surely hold onto the core of the team, he has been robbed of the cornerstone of his game plan and more, I don’t think we’ve been sussed out, rather we’ve lost the key players. You can argue that we should have an alternative plan, but clearly we don’t have the squad depth to have major changes. Accept we haven’t been good enough and go again, but keep adding to the squad, how that is financed going forward for me is the key, if we’re at the maximum we can sustain, then the Prem clearly is a step too far for the Owner.

I would imagine EVERY businesses actual short/medium/long term plan has been changed over the past year or so and for CW to expect otherwise is unrealistic.

Football has gone along in it's own bubble virtually uninterrupted by a disease the rest of the world is still struggling with. To choose to ignore that then put much of our malaise down to the lack of crowds is therefore both perverse and contradictory from CW.

I think he should get at least until Christmas to turn this round -and sincerely hope he does- but he can't have it both ways.Some contrition, even though his own pride is damged, would be welcome.
We seem to be getting CW's point of view and he's not , seemingly, looking at the other side of the matter, at the spending/return on investment ratio he has presided over, at the disastrous season he is presiding over.

It's all down to someone else, anyone else but CW.

He needs either a mentor or a good hard look at himself. a dose of introspection. I worry that the amount of credit he has built up will erode faster than last month's snow flurry.

As for the prince, he needs to find an investor or two. I think we ,and he, all know that. Does CW think he has helped the prince's job easier wiith our performances this season?

CW needs to get his mojo back, get on with looking at alternative methods, get back to what he excels at, not looking for scapegoats and excuses.
He's screwed up royally and, maybe, for once this season, he sees defence as the best form of atttack.

 

[Redalwaysablade]

I would imagine EVERY businesses actual short/medium/long term plan has been changed over the past year or so and for CW to expect otherwise is unrealistic.

Football has gone along in it's own bubble virtually uninterrupted by a disease the rest of the world is still struggling with. To choose to ignore that then put much of our malaise down to the lack of crowds is therefore both perverse and contradictory from CW.

I think he should get at least until Christmas to turn this round -and sincerely hope he does- but he can't have it both ways.Some contrition, even though his own pride is damged, would be welcome.
We seem to be getting CW's point of view and he's not , seemingly, looking at the other side of the matter, at the spending/return on investment ratio he has presided over, at the disastrous season he is presiding over.

It's all down to someone else, anyone else but CW.

He needs either a mentor or a good hard look at himself. a dose of introspection. I worry that the amount of credit he has built up will erode faster than last month's snow flurry.

As for the prince, he needs to find an investor or two. I think we ,and he, all know that. Does CW think he has helped the prince's job easier wiith our performances this season?

CW needs to get his mojo back, get on with looking at alternative methods, get back to what he excels at, not looking for scapegoats and excuses.
He's screwed up royally and, maybe, for once this season, he sees defence as the best form of atttack.

TT, You are correct in that these are unprecedented times, but do you believe, that with our budget we should have expected more ?

We are quite comfortably behind everyone else, on a pro rata basis , it stands to reason that we have been harder hit. It is the language now emerging from others that indicate that sales will have to happen to cover the short fall. Whichever way you look at it, CW and the Board are growing further apart, comments elsewhere seem to indicate that too.

To me the body language and demeanour of CW has changed markedly, no one Manager gets it right all the time, but for us unprecedented amounts have been spent, true, but it’s still small fry by Premiership Standards......I don’t profess to know the answers, hell, I doubt anyone does, but to start all over again, just sounds like a recipe for disaster.

 

[Chips1889]

Seems to me that CW has been honest in his dealings (that I know about and can see) so he's the manager I want next season. Also seems he is being honest about his plan and what he needs and I'm sure the Prince will decide.

 

[tomytony]

TT, You are correct in that these are unprecedented times, but do you believe, that with our budget we should have expected more ?

We are quite comfortably behind everyone else, on a pro rata basis , it stands to reason that we have been harder hit. It is the language now emerging from others that indicate that sales will have to happen to cover the short fall. Whichever way you look at it, CW and the Board are growing further apart, comments elsewhere seem to indicate that too.

To me the body language and demeanour of CW has changed markedly, no one Manager gets it right all the time, but for us unprecedented amounts have been spent, true, but it’s still small fry by Premiership Standards......I don’t profess to know the answers, hell, I doubt anyone does, but to start all over again, just sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Do you mean expected more money or expected more from the money spent RAB? To be fair both scenaros fit.
I'm not a lover of SUFC's owners over the years ( true-really!)but think the prince has a right to be cautious given CW's poor returns in the PL window.. What we don''t know is what the plan and promises were/are.

This from the article link below reinforces your point about timing and attitude change

"But his tone in the past two weeks has changed to that of warnings that he will not be here unless he has certain assurances."

As I said above, and what would worry me from the prince's point of view is the lack of contrition and culpability from CW.He has not tried anything different, he has become increasingly stubborn, intransigent and seems to be in denial around his part in the demise.That must be worrying for any owner.

CW fits SUFC just as SUFC fits CW and 1 year's extremely poor performance should not derail the train that has pushed forward so successfully but CW seems to be pushing it, overplaying his hand even.

You would expect that he and the prince would sort this out behind closed doors but the increasingly entrenched demands would indicate this is not the case- but a lot of it is paper talk.. The prince said he wanted CW to stay regardless.Maybe CW sees that as a safe position to negotiate both publically and aggressively from. that would not be my chosen way but that's by the by.

Problem is- why has it become CW's chosen way?
Trouble at t'mill , CW losing patience, CW testing the water or CW just wanting more.

It needs settling quickly- and amicably - with agreed targets/ performances/results/budget clearing the way to get on with getting us back.

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/spor...VdkRfjjVyy1uZXbcK-DjhlUfmfmTBbR8CqdJJ6Lrfb2l0

 

[Redalwaysablade]

If the expectation is an immediate return, then selling first team players Berge notwithstanding, seems a curious way of achieving that, without some assurance that others can be brought in, if CW is expected to keep ahead of the curve, he will expect to be able to be active in the transfer market, there will be some natural wastage through ageing, but standing still is in effect going backwards, if that makes sense.

 

[tomytony]

If the expectation is an immediate return, then selling first team players Berge notwithstanding, seems a curious way of achieving that, without some assurance that others can be brought in, if CW is expected to keep ahead of the curve, he will expect to be able to be active in the transfer market, there will be some natural wastage through ageing, but standing still is in effect going backwards, if that makes sense.

It wouldn't surprise me if the budget became half of what we get for Berge

 

[Rod Currie]

Is Wilder taiking about his own future or of the Plan he says he is working to ?

He has been consistent with saying he has the say on players, he has already alluded to the fact that Berge may leave, no surprise, some will say he won’t be missed, either way if more are sold then it seems inevitable to me that CW will walk, if you say you have a short, medium and long term strategy, then you must surely hold onto the core of the team, he has been robbed of the cornerstone of his game plan and more, I don’t think we’ve been sussed out, rather we’ve lost the key players. You can argue that we should have an alternative plan, but clearly we don’t have the squad depth to have major changes. Accept we haven’t been good enough and go again, but keep adding to the squad, how that is financed going forward for me is the key, if we’re at the maximum we can sustain, then the Prem clearly is a step too far for the Owner.

Good post Redders mi owd pal.UTMPB

 

[Fan not a Fanatic]

Chris Wilder admits the training complex he says his players desperately need has been put back due to the current pandemic. He had hoped his Sheffield United players would have use of the new facilities by now, but due to covid, it has not yet taken place. However, he says there's no reason for it not to 'kick-on'.
"The academy and 23s are in that building, but there's certain things that need to happen for the players.
"They are not prima donnas, but there are certain standards and requirements needed for them to produce their best performances.
"The players, if you speak to them honestly about the facilities here, they would have an opinion on that."

Wilder does like a moan, give it a rest "certain standards and requirements needed for them to produce their best performances". Hard work and graft can work, really needs to give his head a shake.