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Pope John XXIII said:
VAT on private schools and abolishing Non dom status are required to pay down debt caused by wars and COVID.
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I don't know the answer, but will they raise money ? You only have to look at the long term effect on energy companies of the one off taxes. Short term it has raised money, but long term it has lost us investment , jobs and probably means we will end up importing energy (mainly oil?) that could have been sourced in the UK. I guess there is the environmental impact to consider too, which makes that even more complicated.

Anyhow, got a football game to see !
 
Lienking said:
I don't know the answer, but will they raise money ? You only have to look at the long term effect on energy companies of the one off taxes. Short term it has raised money, but long term it has lost us investment , jobs and probably means we will end up importing energy (mainly oil?) that could have been sourced in the UK. I guess there is the environmental impact to consider too, which makes that even more complicated.

Anyhow, got a football game to see !
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erm we are already importing 50% plus of our energy after we sold it off to foreign investors. largely France.
 
in_the_top_one said:
This will keep you awake at night, Toms.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1777274636612374840
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Fascinating

Makes you think- everyone 25 and under was unable to vote in that referendum but the subsequent way that Johnson and May's government acted helped ensure that remainers were made out of all of them.

There was never a mandate for extreme or hard Brexit, because it was always apparent that on 52/48 split, the support for Remain would tip to a majority within a couple of years at the most as more younger people became enfranchised.

We now have 8 years worth of young people, most of them remainers where they have an opinion, who could not make their voices known in 2016.

57/58% in support of rejoining is something that is only going to get larger and larger.

Within a decade it will be at 2/3 of the population
 
Pope John XXIII said:
Fascinating

Makes you think- everyone 25 and under was unable to vote in that referendum but the subsequent way that Johnson and May's government acted helped ensure that remainers were made out of all of them.

There was never a mandate for extreme or hard Brexit, because it was always apparent that on 52/48 split, the support for Remain would tip to a majority within a couple of years at the most as more younger people became enfranchised.

We now have 8 years worth of young people, most of them remainers where they have an opinion, who could not make their voices known in 2016.

57/58% in support of rejoining is something that is only going to get larger and larger.

Within a decade it will be at 2/3 of the population
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It's more to do with the fact that many people believe incorrectly, that the Tories wanted Brexit. There is an association between the two.
This association is derived from the diabolical mishandling of Brexit by them.
 
Strett said:
It's more to do with the fact that many people believe incorrectly, that the Tories wanted Brexit. There is an association between the two.
This association is derived from the diabolical mishandling of Brexit by them.
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The Tories did want Brexit.

The vast majority of their MPs wanted it

A significant part of the then cabinet wanted it and almost all of the subsequent cabinets.

Their members wanted it.

There are a lot of "remainers" in the party that were no such thing, just not no-deal headbangers. Which then caused them to be portrayed as remainers.
 
toms said:
How could anyone be more pro EU ? Unelected bureaucrats, unaudited accounts, widespread corruption, wrong decisions on energy, socialism led. Wrong on immigration .

I can’t think of a single material benefit to being in the EU. We don’t need to be part of a political union.
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A single material benefit was we could actually control immigration far better within it
 
Strett said:
No they didn't. They put a leaflet through everyone's door persuading them to vote remain.
The Tory party of 2015-16 is barely recognisable from the one that took over after the referendum.
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You didn't read a single word I wrote. You literally ignored everything in your reply.

I stand behind my previous post as factual.
 
Pope John XXIII said:
If we get rid of the Nuclear deterrent we also get rid of our permanent seat on the UN security council; a seat that is already an anachronism.

Lose that and the UK loses what little international influence it still has now it has shot itself in the foot with Brexit.

Ordinary people may not think that is particularly important. But just wait until we don't have it and the influence that comes from it anymore.

The USA have never shown an a real interest in a trade deal with the UK (thankfully), and already Badenoch is reduced to using client journalists to trump up absolutely shite micro deals as if they are great.

It's the same as with foreign aid. The public thinks we are giving money away, when it fact we are buying influence. We as a public will never get to know when and where that influence is going to matter, but matter it absolutely does.


On top of that, the nuclear deterrent isn't just about deterring a Nuclear attack as an attack altogether. Russia (or China or USA) knows it would win a war/invasion of the UK but knows it would take serious, destabilising damage doing so
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When I was in the army we were trained to think Russia could take Europe in 3-4 days…they have now shown their hand and aging vehicles and soldiers who don’t want to fight. A lot of Russias power came from the unknown and not seeing their full might . Now we’ve seen it…it’s not so much!

Watch any footage from Ukraine..you don’t see any helicopters or jets on most of it as they can’t afford to lose anymore
 
Strett said:
No they didn't. They put a leaflet through everyone's door persuading them to vote remain.
The Tory party of 2015-16 is barely recognisable from the one that took over after the referendum.
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There is quite clearly a distinction between those who towed the party line as the will of the people was delivered. May didnt want it for example so came up with a dog awful deal. There were about 3-40 remainers and many others towed the line or were reluctant Brexiteers. True Brexiteers -I'd say 100.
 
Pope John XXIII said:
A single material benefit was we could actually control immigration far better within it
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That's absolute nonsense particularly given the immigration pact the EU has just passed. I will grant you though that the Conservatives have failed with controlling immigration
 
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