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EagerExile said:
I too have unfollowed Danny on Twitter because of the anti vax crap he's spreading. I don't want to hear or encourage it.
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That's a shame that. I am not an avid Twitter follower - dip in and out and use it mainly to get the quickest real-time update on Gills and Kent scores via notifications, plus to make complaints against companies for poor service I get as naming and shaming them publicly nearly always works. However, I love Danny's attitude on the pitch and had the chance to meet him in the dressing room before a match when I was in the box a couple of months ago. He came across really well and was a great character and really friendly; he took time to go and chat to all of us fans who came in to see them - especially the kids - and arranged pens and programmes for us all and got the players to sign them, whereas most of the rest of the players, TBH, looked in to thin air like zombies. TBF Evans come across really well too.

So it's a shame to see hear and see some of Danny's views about Covid above and it would seem unsurprising that Covid is currently spreading like wildfire amongst footballers.
 
SteveTreacle said:
That's a shame that. I am not an avid Twitter follower - dip in and out and use it mainly to get the quickest real-time update on Gills and Kent scores via notifications, plus to make complaints against companies for poor service I get as naming and shaming them publicly nearly always works. However, I love Danny's attitude on the pitch and had the chance to meet him in the dressing room before a match when I was in the box a couple of months ago. He came across really well and was a great character and really friendly; he took time to go and chat to all of us fans who came in to see them - especially the kids - and arranged pens and programmes for us all and got the players to sign them, whereas most of the rest of the players, TBH, looked in to thin air like zombies. TBF Evans come across really well too.

So it's a shame to see hear and see some of Danny's views about Covid above and it would seem unsurprising that Covid is currently spreading like wildfire amongst footballers.
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Good people can be wrong. Bad people can right. Plus who was wrong and who was right can change. What’s a chap to do?
 
octopus said:
My mrs is a nurse and she told me last last night that 90 per cent of the people over here in ICU are unvaccinated. That’s a massive percentage given they are about only 20 per cent of the population.

That tells you all you need. It’s not about the jab being safe, the facts show not being jabbed is clearly incredibly unsafe.

Danny Lloyd as a role model with no medical expertise should keep quite on the matter.
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Folk may doubt HMG statistics but the measure you allude to is one that is simply daft to ignore. The percentage you quote is very similar to that which nursing staff and doctors in my area have been revealing. Of all the stats doing the rounds, this one surely has highest credibility and puts the issue into a real-time and valid perspective. It should be part of the national daily feed-back aired at news times.

Putting aside the matter of risking their own health (and others), it must be probable that the selfishness of unvaccinated people requiring maximum resource from the NHS will deprive (non-Covid) others who are ill or dying from receiving treatment.

Selfish in the extreme, get a jab !
 
My immediate next door neighbours grand daughter is an A&E nurse.
She is also unvaccinated (as is her father)
She now has to decide whether to lose her job or get vaccinated.
She’s leaning towards a career change
 
LSB2 said:
That says 1,645 have died from the vaccine, and that's just in this country, and figures only up to September. I do agree with you, and like I say I am triple jabbed, wear a mask, and sanitise. I've just decided not to worry what others do. Nothing I do in my life now is any different to what I'd normally be getting up to. I just concentrate on what I do, and let others do the same.
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No, it doesn't say they have died from the vaccine.

The death of 5 people was shown to be considered primarily because of the vaccine.

You are going down the Wakefield/MMR rabbit hole.
 
LancsGordoRoad said:
Lorry driving is apparently very well paid these days.
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Well, she is packing a bit of timber 😂

Seriously though, can you believe it ?

My brother knows a woman who was a care home manager who had to leave her job because she wouldn’t get vaccinated and now works in the local chip shop.
 
Gills 58 said:
No, it doesn't say they have died from the vaccine.

The death of 5 people was shown to be considered primarily because of the vaccine.

You are going down the Wakefield/MMR rabbit hole.
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Died with the vaccine, like being hit by a bus and testing positive, and dying with the virus 😉
 
MedwayModernist said:
Completely agree with what you've said, however we are still going to get future lockdowns because people aren't getting vaccinated, with the exceptional majority of people in hospital being the unvaccinated.

Whichever way you cut it, this is a selfish act, that will lead to restrictions being imposed not just on them, but on everyone. Thatcher was wrong when she said there's no such thing as society.

So, frankly my option to take would be to just have lockdowns for the unvaccinated.

If you choose to not get vaccinated, fair enough, but these are the implications, when a new variant comes on the rise, you'll be the ones to isolate and lockdown. It takes out the selfishness of the choice, as you're unwillingness to do something will no longer affect those who have.

Enforcing it however...
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Playing devil's advocate. Variants supposedly get milder over time, and the efficacy of the vaccine means the vast majority of all deaths at the moment are the unvaccinated. I don't think personally we even need to lock those people down (I would be swayed by a data based response dispelling this that they cause loads more deaths freely roaming about). I get the argument for it, but ultimately I can't bring myself to want this enforced on people, where do we draw the line on our liberties?

My stance is if you're unvaccinated and you get it and subsequently sadly perish; that ultimately you had the chance to save yourself.
 
MedwayModernist said:
Unfollowing someone because on twitter because they're an idiot is the same as just ignoring a moron down the pub, nothing weird about it.

Given a swift look at his stuff, and he is and idiot btw. That Matt Le Tissier thing is idiotic, George Galloway thing is idiotic, and the one on the maths of the infection rates etc is idiotic.

It's almost like that old thing about footballers being thick still might still have some relevance.
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If people are getting upset about what he posts then yeah unfollow him as it's not worth getting wound up about. If people can disagree but ignore it and just concentrate on his football posts then all's good.
 
Gills_Horse said:
My stance is if you're unvaccinated and you get it and subsequently sadly perish; that ultimately you had the chance to save yourself.
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That's obviously true, but it's not just a personal thing.

By an individual choosing not to get vaccinated, they risk spreading the virus around the population, therefore risking infecting people who might not be able to get the vaccine safely, or for whom the vaccine didn't work etc.
 
I'm interested in the sources that are sustaining the views of the anti, or hesitant vaxxers. Danny regularly posts up stuff in support of his views, which can be informative. His football posts are unfailingly supportive, positive and encouraging and I get the sense these and his performances reflect his personality.
 
MedwayModernist said:
That's obviously true, but it's not just a personal thing.

By an individual choosing not to get vaccinated, they risk spreading the virus around the population, therefore risking infecting people who might not be able to get the vaccine safely, or for whom the vaccine didn't work etc.
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I'd be interested to see how many people who are vaccinated have died in terms of a percentage, obviously 1 is a tragedy, but I wonder what the split actually is.

What would we do if the vaccine is taken up by 90% + of the population and we still have people getting ill from it with the 10% at home? Which I sense would still happen.

We do need to come to a point where we draw the line on it, sadly it isn't going away, and I don't think we are ever getting to a point of 0 Covid deaths, probably more along the lines of circa 30k flu deaths a year.
 
LancsGordoRoad said:
Folk may doubt HMG statistics but the measure you allude to is one that is simply daft to ignore. The percentage you quote is very similar to that which nursing staff and doctors in my area have been revealing. Of all the stats doing the rounds, this one surely has highest credibility and puts the issue into a real-time and valid perspective. It should be part of the national daily feed-back aired at news times.

Putting aside the matter of risking their own health (and others), it must be probable that the selfishness of unvaccinated people requiring maximum resource from the NHS will deprive (non-Covid) others who are ill or dying from receiving treatment.

Selfish in the extreme, get a jab !
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I have an unjabbed colleague who spent a couple of weeks in hospital with covid/pneumonia and was pumped full of chemicals, one of which was an experimental drug.
His refusal to get jabbed was based upon the fact that he (wrongly) thought it hadn't been tested enough, not fussed about the experimental drug used to save his life though 🤔
 
A lot of guff talked about flu deaths largely because they are usually mixed in with deaths from pneumonia . We get near to 30K with both combined but pneumonia takes by far the lion's share. It's worth remembering that we had years of far higher deaths from flu and addressed that situation with vaccination programmes for the elderly and the vulnerable.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/tran...onfoi/deathsfrominfluenzaandpneumonia20152020

I agree that we will need to move into more normal territory, no drawing of lines I fear, but current numbers are way over combined flu & pneumonia figures .

Best hope still that Omicron dominates but results in far less harm overall and that the virus continues on that path. That's not certain and in the mean time we have winter, flu and an overburdened NHS. The number of beds in our hospital system has declined dramatically for a number of reasons, some perfectly reasonable and measured, others less so. Take a look at these figures, they have declined further recently, and note that most comparable countries have more beds per head.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/nhs-hospital-bed-numbers

Decisions on moving to more lax guidance and rules are unlikely to be made until we have negotiated the immediate winter/Omicron squeeze. We all hope that thereafter things look rosier and we get on with life again.
 
MedwayModernist said:
That's obviously true, but it's not just a personal thing.

By an individual choosing not to get vaccinated, they risk spreading the virus around the population, therefore risking infecting people who might not be able to get the vaccine safely, or for whom the vaccine didn't work etc.
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But being vaccinated does not stop you getting covid or from passing it on.
It lowers the risk for YOU from hospitalisation and death and that is the reason for covid vaccination.

Therefore all people need to reduce their risk profile not just unvaccinated people.
 
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jogills said:
A lot of guff talked about flu deaths largely because they are usually mixed in with deaths from pneumonia . We get near to 30K with both combined but pneumonia takes by far the lion's share. It's worth remembering that we had years of far higher deaths from flu and addressed that situation with vaccination programmes for the elderly and the vulnerable.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/tran...onfoi/deathsfrominfluenzaandpneumonia20152020

I agree that we will need to move into more normal territory, no drawing of lines I fear, but current numbers are way over combined flu & pneumonia figures .

Best hope still that Omicron dominates but results in far less harm overall and that the virus continues on that path. That's not certain and in the mean time we have winter, flu and an overburdened NHS. The number of beds in our hospital system has declined dramatically for a number of reasons, some perfectly reasonable and measured, others less so. Take a look at these figures, they have declined further recently, and note that most comparable countries have more beds per head.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/nhs-hospital-bed-numbers

Decisions on moving to more lax guidance and rules are unlikely to be made until we have negotiated the immediate winter/Omicron squeeze. We all hope that thereafter things look rosier and we get on with life again.
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Bed numbers have decreased following the tory activity of closing (specialising lol) hospitals and removing a&e or maternity departments. Plus the lack of training new nhs staff.
If the fear of new covid cases taking beds is so great exactly why have the queen elizebeth hospitals been closed.
 
Nobby_66 said:
I have an unjabbed colleague who spent a couple of weeks in hospital with covid/pneumonia and was pumped full of chemicals, one of which was an experimental drug.
His refusal to get jabbed was based upon the fact that he (wrongly) thought it hadn't been tested enough, not fussed about the experimental drug used to save his life though 🤔
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Absolute classic.

Also wonder about some of the young people who are anti vaxx through not trusting it who happily take all sorts of drugs at clubs/raves.
 
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