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Deal edging closer?

John ......... he probably hopes (or knows) that if the rugby were to own it, then he could get the rates changed, so as to make running costs cheaper.

Whether or not he can afford to lose the rental we'd pay is a different issue.
 
he will never buy it without us that’s for sure. But still don’t get the reason to buy it from a rugby point of view. And. The money every one says it looses
 
walgarthjohn said:
he will never buy it without us that’s for sure. But still don’t get the reason to buy it from a rugby point of view. And. The money every one says it looses
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Did you read what I wrote?

He'll be hoping to get the rates reduced .................. this will make it more affordable. That's why ....and how.

I do agree though that if we're not a tenant, it'll make it a damn sight harder for him ........................... hence the Americans saying that we'll go to Leigh. Maybe he'll offer to reduce the rent he'd charge us if he were to buy it.
 
walgarthjohn said:
does Lenagan still want the stadium and if so why
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They must believe that they can make it profitable. I suspect his strategy would be based on the assumption Latics wouldn't leave and he'd have leverage to negotiate a large rent hike. On top of that he would probably be willing to stop protecting the pitch and try and rent it out as much as possible. Things like Rugby internationals and try and get one of the big clubs youth teams to play all their games there - totally hammering the it in the process. We currently can't do that as we want a good playing surface for our games but Warriors don't need a quality pitch themselves and would have to sacrifice that to raise money by the looks of it.

I think even then making up the 1m shortfall is a big ask. But they clearly must have a strategy to make it work that no one else can work out. The rates probably factor into that.
 
king_dezeeuw06 said:
They must believe that they can make it profitable. I suspect his strategy would be based on the assumption Latics wouldn't leave and he'd have leverage to negotiate a large rent hike. On top of that he would probably be willing to stop protecting the pitch and try and rent it out as much as possible. Things like Rugby internationals and try and get one of the big clubs youth teams to play all their games there - totally hammering the it in the process. We currently can't do that as we want a good playing surface for our games but Warriors don't need a quality pitch themselves and would have to sacrifice that to raise money by the looks of it.

I think even then making up the 1m shortfall is a big ask. But they clearly must have a strategy to make it work that no one else can work out. The rates probably factor into that.
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Big clubs youth teams? United use Leigh. City have their own.
 
Wlatic said:
I may be in your opinion, but I do not value it. My outlook on life and decisions made allowed me to blindly donate a large amount into a campaign to save the club without a second thought. From the way you've talked about a lot of issues it shows that you are unlikely someone who has had their own company, been involved in organisation/process management of a company or any sort of strategic planning. You'll notice how I said "unlikely" that use of language allows you to come back to me and say you have, without my statement being incorrect, it shows that you are able to understand the world is never black or white. Its not something you do (hence my opinion)!

You think the problem with the club is not having enough support and that more supports will solve our issues. That's two or three levels above the actual problem and I'll demonstrate for you.

Why do we need fans? 1) Support the players during matches 2) Generate income <insert other reasons>

1a) Can we do this in another way?
1b) Is there a way for a lower amount of fans to generate the same level of support inside the venue?
1bi) Is the venue the problem?
etc.

2a) How much income do we generate from fans alone?
2ai) What is the cost of acquisition of a fan?
2aii) What is return on investment of 2ai?
2b) Do we have other ways to generate income?
etc.

You are seeing everything as a problem and leading to the death of the club, the people buying us may not see the world the same way as you do and therefore see opportunities. The worry we have to have as fans should extend to such questions as: If they move us to Leigh and it goes ok could they move us further away (these are people who have experience with American Franchises).

I believe your main problem is getting your point across and doing so without belittling others, because you dont know how and you feel that's the best way to do it. You're unlikely influence the right kind of people doing that and therefore your success will likely be limited.
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Well it’s abundantly clear from the above condescending nonsense you are indeed incapable of communicating effectively and getting your point across. There is no likely from my perspective here, you are a limited individual. Boasting about ‘blindly donating a large sum without a second thought’ tells me you are craving attention and believe such an unverifiable claim gives your nonsensical opinions validity. They don’t. Unfortunately for you, you are not as clever as you think. As I said earlier you are an idiot, which you have again proven.
 
moonay said:
Did you read what I wrote?

He'll be hoping to get the rates reduced .................. this will make it more affordable. That's why ....and how.

I do agree though that if we're not a tenant, it'll make it a damn sight harder for him ........................... hence the Americans saying that we'll go to Leigh. Maybe he'll offer to reduce the rent he'd charge us if he were to buy it.
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If the rugby can make it pay and we can’t forget the rates. Somthing. Sadly wrong
 
king_dezeeuw06 said:
They already tried that and it didn't work though - if it was as easy as saying it it would've happened. No matter how much you try you're not going to get many concerts in Wigan with so many other established venues in the north west and most big bands will do cities rather than towns. You cant have the pitch used due to the level of maintenance required and no matter how hard anyone works they are going to struggle to have enough weddings, conferences, etc to add up to 1m. I don't think the council would sign up for anything that generates annual loses of hundreds of thousands. So I don't think that it is a realistic outcome.




It's only Leigh, the majority of fans who can't hack that length of travel to keep the club alive probably would've dumped us for getting relegated as it is. Some folks will probably have slightly shorter journeys, some will have slightly longer and match day routines will adjust but if you don't have a match the rest is irrelevant. I say let's make sure we have a team and matches to watch as the priority. We can always move back to the DW in the future if the terms are right- but you won't get good terms if you refuse to ever leave. Can't afford to keep losing 1m a year under any circumstances.
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It’s not the length, it’s the time. Folk won’t jump on 40 minute bus journeys. For many socialising in the pub is a big part of the day, travelling all that way say on a bus will be too much of a burden. The club is at deaths door and given only half the fan base support it despite that means the idea won’t work. If we don’t remain the rugby club isn’t viable, so either a solution is found or both clubs die.
 
Made in Wigan said:
Well it’s abundantly clear from the above condescending nonsense you are indeed incapable of communicating effectively and getting your point across. There is no likely from my perspective here, you are a limited individual. Boasting about ‘blindly donating a large sum without a second thought’ tells me you are craving attention and believe such an unverifiable claim gives your nonsensical opinions validity. They don’t. Unfortunately for you, you are not as clever as you think. As I said earlier you are an idiot, which you have again proven.
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Great reply! Basically what you are saying is "I don't understand what or why you are saying or why you are saying it, so you must be the idiot". You made a suggestion / questioned my understanding, I provided you with a retort and it was above your level. Move on, don't learn and stay stuck with the life you have today (that may be fantastic, if so we'll done!).

Its not boasting it's factual, happy to provide proof to the forum organisers.
 
walgarthjohn said:
If the rugby can make it pay and we can’t forget the rates. Somthing. Sadly wrong
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Sorry John, but you really ought to check your commas. I presume there should have been one after "can't".

As has already been said, the rateable value was set when we (a football club) were in the Premier League.

We're no longer in that league, but the rates haven't changed (apparently.

If the rugby were to won it, in a sport where there's far less money about, then the rateable value might (eventually) get reviewed.

This would be a significant way toward making the stadium cheaper to run.

What's "sadly wrong" about that?
 
Wlatic said:
Great reply! Basically what you are saying is "I don't understand what or why you are saying or why you are saying it, so you must be the idiot". You made a suggestion / questioned my understanding, I provided you with a retort and it was above your level. Move on, don't learn and stay stuck with the life you have today (that may be fantastic, if so we'll done!).

Its not boasting it's factual, happy to provide proof to the forum organisers.
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Yep go ahead provide the proof. The forum organiser is a villa fan so wont be interested, so just post it on here. Or just PM me. Either will do.

Your post, as I said, was nonsensical, so yes it confirmed, like your suggestion only 50% of a small fan base willing to move was a positive, you are in fact an idiot.
 
Wlatic said:
Great reply! Basically what you are saying is "I don't understand what or why you are saying or why you are saying it, so you must be the idiot". You made a suggestion / questioned my understanding, I provided you with a retort and it was above your level. Move on, don't learn and stay stuck with the life you have today (that may be fantastic, if so we'll done!).

Its not boasting it's factual, happy to provide proof to the forum organisers.
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That’s a bit insulting. To a fan You could well be rich business man. And maybe clever that a few on here but think made in Wigan as made a good point about our fans. I’ve watched wigan for over 50 years. And Leigh. Sorry. To say not for me. And just text 6 mates all say the same
 
So we move to Leigh, I haven't seen it mentioned that we'd purchase the ground so we would be tenants of the council under a lease with the usual break clauses.

Then two years down the line when we're getting 1500 on in lge 1 and the Americans have big plans. Suddenly they up sticks, take our 'golden share' in the EFL and move to say somewhere like Stafford because there would be no ties to the town. We'd effectively just be a franchise.

No thanks. I'm with MIW all the way on this. Rather rent from Pollard or the council need to fork out for the DW.
 
moonay said:
Sorry John, but you really ought to check your commas. I presume there should have been one after "can't".

As has already been said, the rateable value was set when we (a football club) were in the Premier League.

We're no longer in that league, but the rates haven't changed (apparently.

If the rugby were to won it, in a sport where there's far less money about, then the rateable value might (eventually) get reviewed.

This would be a significant way toward making the stadium cheaper to run.

What's "sadly wrong" about that?
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In a way it explains why it’s such a blocker for the rugby to want to part own it. They pay a cheap sum now to rent so manes little sense for them to own it and shoulder significantly higher costs.
 
Be loads of clubs in admin soon surely given theres little hope of clubs having crowds this side of Christmas. I can't see how clubs will keep paying wages.
 
walgarthjohn said:
That’s a bit insulting. To a fan You could well be rich business man. And maybe clever that a few on here but think made in Wigan as made a good point about our fans. I’ve watched wigan for over 50 years. And Leigh. Sorry. To say not for me. And just text 6 mates all say the same
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Did you look at the context? What is insulting?
 
moonay said:
Sorry John, but you really ought to check your commas. I presume there should have been one after "can't".

As has already been said, the rateable value was set when we (a football club) were in the Premier League.

We're no longer in that league, but the rates haven't changed (apparently.

If the rugby were to won it, in a sport where there's far less money about, then the rateable value might (eventually) get reviewed.

This would be a significant way toward making the stadium cheaper to run.

What's "sadly wrong" about that?
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You have your thoughts I have mine. Give the stadium up we are knackered
 
Made in Wigan said:
Yep go ahead provide the proof. The forum organiser is a villa fan so wont be interested, so just post it on here. Or just PM me. Either will do.

Your post, as I said, was nonsensical, so yes it confirmed, like your suggestion only 50% of a small fan base willing to move was a positive, you are in fact an idiot.
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The reason you are wrong is because you've discounted the unsures. If it suited your narrative you'd use them the other way, very basic manipulation strategy.

We have Wigan based mods.
 
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