Rising
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They're even worse than Milwall.
https://news.sky.com/story/more-man...-football-racism-than-any-other-club-11743651
https://news.sky.com/story/more-man...-football-racism-than-any-other-club-11743651
United Top the List of most-Racist Fans
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Rising
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Actually, they're probably not. I think the numbers skew these "findings". There are very many more rag fans, so the article is quite misleading.
Buzz Lightyear
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I agree there are many that are not arrested that should be, but for the moment these are the oly stats to go on.
Skoorb
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Well they are table toppers in something.
Their spokesperson misses a trick actually. He/she describes the no of arrests (27) as "0.0004% of the match going fanbase" - but that is only as a % of one stadium full (75,000). Across all their matches home and away the ratio would be much lower.
As Buzz states though, there is far more of this going on which never gets acted upon.
BamaEngineer
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What were they arrested for exactly?
Rising
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Not sure of the specifics but it's most likely to be for racist chanting, or worse.
BamaEngineer
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You can be arrested and detained for distasteful speech?
Rising
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You can be arrested but I don't think you would be detained, more likely bailed, but it is not my area of expertise, but then, what is? 
This is from the Crown Prosecution:
Racialist chanting at football matches - Section 3 Football Offences Act 1991 (as amended)
This offence is committed when a group of people, or one person acting alone, chants something of a racialist nature at a designated football match. "Racialist" means the same as "racist".
To prove this offence, the prosecution has to show that the chanting, which means the repeated uttering of words or sounds, was threatening, abusive or insulting to another person because of that person's colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin.
It is not necessary to prove that the chanting was directed at a particular individual or group, although it will often be directed at a player or players from Black and minority ethnic communities.
The offence only applies to a "designated" match as specified in the Football (Offences) (Designation of Football Matches) Order 2004, namely, one involving a club that it a member of the Football League, the Football Association Premier League, the Football Conference or the Scottish Football League or the Welsh Premier League, or whose home ground is for the time being situated outside England and Wales, or represents a country or territory. The definition also includes a match in competition for the Football Association Cup (other than in a preliminary or qualifying round).
If convicted, the accused person can be fined (level 3), and, in addition to any other penalty, banned from attending football matches both in this country and abroad.
Even when a person is not charged with an offence, a magistrates' court may issue a similar banning order against a person who has been involved in violent behaviour before, if the court is satisfied that this would help to prevent violence or disorder at football matches in the future. The police (and not the CPS) have the power to apply to the court for a banning order in these circumstances. Breach of a banning order is punishable by a maximum penalty of up to six months' imprisonment.
The crime does not apply to chanting which is of a religious nature. In such circumstances, it may be appropriate to charge religiously aggravated public order offences.
This offence is aimed at specific behaviour within football grounds at designated matches and was introduced to combat the problem of mass racist chanting.
However, this offence should not be seen in isolation and it is not the only legislative tool available to deal with racist or religious football related crime.
In some situations, it might be more appropriate to charge other offences, such as specific racially or religiously aggravated public order offences. This may be the case, for example, where:
This is from the Crown Prosecution:
Racialist chanting at football matches - Section 3 Football Offences Act 1991 (as amended)
This offence is committed when a group of people, or one person acting alone, chants something of a racialist nature at a designated football match. "Racialist" means the same as "racist".
To prove this offence, the prosecution has to show that the chanting, which means the repeated uttering of words or sounds, was threatening, abusive or insulting to another person because of that person's colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin.
It is not necessary to prove that the chanting was directed at a particular individual or group, although it will often be directed at a player or players from Black and minority ethnic communities.
The offence only applies to a "designated" match as specified in the Football (Offences) (Designation of Football Matches) Order 2004, namely, one involving a club that it a member of the Football League, the Football Association Premier League, the Football Conference or the Scottish Football League or the Welsh Premier League, or whose home ground is for the time being situated outside England and Wales, or represents a country or territory. The definition also includes a match in competition for the Football Association Cup (other than in a preliminary or qualifying round).
If convicted, the accused person can be fined (level 3), and, in addition to any other penalty, banned from attending football matches both in this country and abroad.
Even when a person is not charged with an offence, a magistrates' court may issue a similar banning order against a person who has been involved in violent behaviour before, if the court is satisfied that this would help to prevent violence or disorder at football matches in the future. The police (and not the CPS) have the power to apply to the court for a banning order in these circumstances. Breach of a banning order is punishable by a maximum penalty of up to six months' imprisonment.
The crime does not apply to chanting which is of a religious nature. In such circumstances, it may be appropriate to charge religiously aggravated public order offences.
This offence is aimed at specific behaviour within football grounds at designated matches and was introduced to combat the problem of mass racist chanting.
However, this offence should not be seen in isolation and it is not the only legislative tool available to deal with racist or religious football related crime.
In some situations, it might be more appropriate to charge other offences, such as specific racially or religiously aggravated public order offences. This may be the case, for example, where:
- the offence is committed outside the stadium at a designated football match;
- a public order offence is committed where religious as opposed to racist hostility is demonstrated to the victim or victims; or
- racial abuse and harassment of black and minority ethnic players takes place at a non-designated football match, such as at an amateur game.
