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[Spursex]

We need Ange to succeed.

He will if, unlike previous managers, he has the freedom and the bravery to make some big calls and for them to be the right ones.

It's nothing to do with winners 'mentality' that's a cliché that stops you thinking about and examining the reasons for falling short.

Next summer will set the tone and the direction of travel, get that right, and he may well succeed quicker than most think.

 

[Pompey Yid]

He will if, unlike previous managers, he has the freedom and the bravery to make some big calls and for them to be the right ones.

It's nothing to do with winners 'mentality' that's a cliché that stops you thinking about and examining the reasons for falling short.

Next summer will set the tone and the direction of travel, get that right, and he may well succeed quicker than most think.

Well said there Ex.

So bloody simple, its true! COYS

 

[80deg16minW]

He will if, unlike previous managers, he has the freedom and the bravery to make some big calls and for them to be the right ones.

It's nothing to do with winners 'mentality' that's a cliché that stops you thinking about and examining the reasons for falling short.

Next summer will set the tone and the direction of travel, get that right, and he may well succeed quicker than most think.

Winners persevere and have the opportunity to do so.

 

[meee93]

Winners persevere and have the opportunity to do so.

How does somebody become a winner? So loosers win too. It's a nonsense phrase that people seem to jump to. There is a local 'influencer' who has a mantra of "winners win". Load of bollocks. Drives me up the wall.
Having the right attitudeand perseverance, making the right decisions, and having a bit of luck helps people to win. They aren't inherently winners.

 

[muttley]

Winners persevere and have the opportunity to do so.

Agree, and they also constantly evolve. I've always enjoyed how Pep keeps changing it up to keep his opposition on their toes. We will need that from Ange as well.

Poch started in 14/15 with a rigid 4-2-3-1 and didn't really evolve to a more fluid 4-2-3-1 for a while. It probably took until the next season before Eriksn, Son and Dele played laterally rather than stick to their positions. By the 16/17 season he had us in a plan B 3-4-3 system battering teams at the end of the season when we got 86 points. We still had the 4-2-3-1 in the bag though.

Ange has started in a much less rigid system. He's coming at it from the other direction and it will be interesting to see whether he can get it tighter over time without sacrificing the attacking play.

It's a fun time to be a fan.

 

[80deg16minW]

How does somebody become a winner? So loosers win too. It's a nonsense phrase that people seem to jump to. There is a local 'influencer' who has a mantra of "winners win". Load of bollocks. Drives me up the wall.
Having the right attitudeand perseverance, making the right decisions, and having a bit of luck helps people to win. They aren't inherently winners.

My point exactly. To win something you don't give up until you get it right.

 

[muttley]

How does somebody become a winner? So loosers win too. It's a nonsense phrase that people seem to jump to. There is a local 'influencer' who has a mantra of "winners win". Load of bollocks. Drives me up the wall.
Having the right attitudeand perseverance, making the right decisions, and having a bit of luck helps people to win. They aren't inherently winners.

So, so true. Especially true in sports like golf as well. If you don't get that bit of luck at the right time, you don't get the break. A dropped catch at cricket and you get your first ton is another example.

Poch never got it for 5 years. Then he almost got it all in one CL campaign. When I think back to the Higuain offside decision and that idiot Anthony Taylor costing us a cup final appearance against Utd etc.

Then there's that other pointless saying. You make your own luck

 

[Spursex]

How does somebody become a winner? So loosers win too. It's a nonsense phrase that people seem to jump to. There is a local 'influencer' who has a mantra of "winners win". Load of bollocks. Drives me up the wall.
Having the right attitudeand perseverance, making the right decisions, and having a bit of luck helps people to win. They aren't inherently winners.

The problem is that pundits regurgitate 'winners mentality' whenever they can't explain deeper more fundamental issues, and they do so to win/curry favour with fans who they think cannot think for themselves.

 

[Spursex]

My point exactly. To win something you don't give up until you get it right.

Spot on.

 

[80deg16minW]

So, so true. Especially true in sports like golf as well. If you don't get that bit of luck at the right time, you don't get the break. A dropped catch at cricket and you get your first ton is another example.

Poch never got it for 5 years. Then he almost got it all in one CL campaign. When I think back to the Higuain offside decision and that idiot Anthony Taylor costing us a cup final appearance against Utd etc.

Then there's that other pointless saying. You make your own luck

People confuse good decision-making with luck. That's why I prefer you have to be lucky to be good but good to be lucky,

 

[Spursex]

People confuse good decision-making with luck.

Yep, the better decisions we make, the luckier we become - funny that!

 

[Pompey Yid]

Remember folks it's not about being in it to win it!....Winning is the least important thing!...its about the taking part, then everyone's a Winner Lol!

Ok! I will get my coat lol!

 

[muttley]

Yep, the better decisions we make, the luckier we become - funny that!

The golf analogy is great. When you spray a bad shot it will hit a tree and go inwards. When you're slightly better you hit the outer branches and it bounces back out onto the fairway. Golfers think that is good and bad luck. It's actually science.

 

[80deg16minW]

The golf analogy is great. When you spray a bad shot it will hit a tree and go inwards. When you're slightly better you hit the outer branches and it bounces back out onto the fairway. Golfers think that is good and bad luck. It's actually science.

I've witnessed a hole in one that was shanked 45 degrees into some decorative rocks and bounced 90 degrees up and over a pond onto the green then rolled into the cup.

Given the ability of the golfer that was LUCK.

 

[meee93]

Good decision making and ability = greater chance of success. You can make wrong decisions and still have success, that is luck. But the more correct decisions you make the less you have to rely on luck for success

 

[80deg16minW]

Timing is the other major factor. When the right group of people come together and accomplish something great it has a lot to do with timing.

 

[meee93]

Timing is the other major factor. When the right group of people come together and accomplish something great it has a lot to do with timing.

I remember reading that Bill Gates's primary school (or whatever the American equivalent is) had one of the best computing programmes in the country at that point. Obviously he is very talented and has done extremely well, but would he have had the successes if he had of been born 10 years later?

 

[USAFSPURS]

There is not a season that goes by when we don't drop 12-15 points in fixtures where we should have fared better, and this season has been no different from any other. No matter who we sign and how strong our squad may look on paper, no matter who manages us, for me there will be no genuine improvement until a winning mentality is developed that we clearly still do not have at the moment. Somehow we have to break our duck, after that hopefully success will breed more success.

Culture changes take the longest....and Spurs have needed a culture change for a LONG time.

 

[Niall D]

There are a few issues for me here.
1/ we still need to factor pens /free kicks/sending off etc,, ie how much effect the ref has on match results.
Is it any surprise that both Arse and, Lpool are joint 2nd in pens, awarded with 9, that's literally 8 more goals than us,who've been given 1, yup I know the argument, you have to be in the danger zone to get them.
But I do think even (non) decisions are viewed differently by the media, look at the obvious pen yesterday for Notts Forest. If that were Liverpool, or the Manchester teams there'd be a fortnight's discussion (post mortem) on it, unfortunately we fall into the
'ohhh dear what a shame never mind' teams when decisions go against us.
2/ We do need to be dirtier in our play, more canny if you like, it happens with City and before them Chelsea, they are quite happy to 'share' the stooopid fouls, with that said again City seem to be allowed quite a few fouls before cards are produced, I refer back to the Referee and his decisions. You know 'that bit of luck'
3/ We need differing ways of playing certain opponents, at home /away and indeed a way to change up/down during games, to manage them.

 

[sldspurs]

Say what you will Levy had the guts to do away with Moaninho a week before a cup final!, after yesterday's showing do MU have the guts to do the same with Ten Hag????

hopefull both he and Skinner could go before a cup final - now that would be a royal flush