valenciagill
Vital Football Hero
No mention on the news of the disorder in Brixton last night
The sad thing is that LGBT, Black Lives, Female equality, all seem to highlight the difference between people, rather than look for unity.
Forget the colour and sex and look at a scan of the inside, one heart' two lungs, liver, kidneys, how many people could tell the difference between x-rays of different groups.
No mention on the news of the disorder in Brixton last night
It was a response to Tarian. Hence it's length and tedium.
On what basis am I;I was making the point that there are two different types of right wing racist
- the uneducated and ignorant bigot being one type;
- the other being the rhetoric using cogent arguer, of which you are a prime example.
Whatever the debate about which side of the argument is more racist. WK is still the only poster who it has been necessary to temporarily remove from the board due to lack of respect and constant abuse.
We all have our preconceptions about public figures. If we decide to like and defend them, we come out with stuff like "well, they had a bad childhood" "what they really meant was" or "what they have to put up with", etc, etc. At the very least, we are willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
If they are generally not liked, or they represent the opposite view to our own - effectively in the opposite camp, we can not wait to condemn them when nothing has been proven, as in aspects of the Cummings saga. Either that, or we label them stupid.
To be able to defend any slogan that only gives benefit to only one race - like "Black Lives matter" is, by definition, racist. Yes, there are mitigating reasons and an underlying cause - equality, but I think it defeats its object and has given other racists the opportunity to start WLM.
Singling out one race does nothing to aid equality. That is why something like "All lives matter" or "Every life is precious" would have been far better, particularly if you are advocating peace.
Ask yourself, why should your opinion be any more valid than his?
Sorry... but of course people are entitled to have different views.Stop keep asking for evidence all the time, you sound like an evolutionist! People have different opinions and beliefs, some based on facts and evidence, some based on faith and guesswork. We should all try and be more tolerant of each other, you don't have to be "right" all the time.
Buddhas opinion is no more 'valid' than anyone elses. However what we can say is that its based off far more sound logic and rationale. The myth that opinions cant be wrong is, as i say, a myth. If you base your opinion on poor logic, or bad premises then your opinion is simply wrong. The whole point of these boards is to discuss why we think the others opinions are goong wrong logically, however tarian vg, pledge seem unable to apply logic adequately. They make wild conclusions from unsound premises and will not listen when these issues are explained to them. This is why i have mostly given up arguing with them. You just cant reason with them. Its too emotive a subject and their deep entrenched views mean they cannot apply logic or reasoning.
First the good news. I;m glad to read that you are (or claim to be) rowing back from your previous extreme, aggressive positions....
.....but there is only one interpretation of this.
On what basis am I;
a) "right wing" (You still haven't defined it .... let alone "far" right")
but more significantly
b) "racist" ?
(There's no point in asking you to apologise, because of your blind prejudice at anyone who can defend Conservatives, supports genuine Free Speech and individual responsibility before the collective..
And I don't want you banned. I'm quite content for you to persist with your abuse and aggressive bullying - so it can be exposed - along with your persistently unsupported claims about people you "hate".)
Correct. Hence why ive mostly given up trying to change it. You just cant reason with some people, they will never accept clearly explained logic.That is exactly my point AK.
They are right in 'their mind' and nothing seems to be able to change this.
Really ?That goes some way to explaining why the far left are far more vitriolic verbally whereas the far right are more likely to punch you in the face.
A fist is worth a thousand words ?.
False analogy ( as much as the use of "cancer" or "one person's house on fire to make this argument).....Let's try thinking about this from a different angle.
Let us suppose that in a while League 1 and League 2 clubs are preparing to restart playing football matches against each other. But then, just as this is about to happen there is another outbreak of the virus. Many clubs that had hung on for dear life are now facing bankruptcy and oblivion.
The Premier league and Championship clubs, meanwhile, are all still solvent, largely because of their privileged position in the top echelons of the league. They know that once the virus is beaten they will resume playing. Unlike the league 1 and league 2 clubs which are facing disaster.
In response to the situation fans of clubs in league 1 and 2 join together to form a pressure group and campaign under the slogan, "lower league clubs matter". They're not for a moment suggesting that the top clubs don't matter, it's just that it is palpably obvious that those clubs don't actually need any financial assistance. Or if they do, it pales into insignificance when compared with the small clubs in the bottom two divisions.
Disgruntled supporters of clubs such as Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal then respond with claims that 'All Clubs Matter', or worse still, 'Premier League Clubs Matter"
It would be as if those supporters of the top clubs just didn't understand the reality of the situation. Yes, of course All Clubs Matter, that's precisely why the lower league clubs mustn't be allowed to fold. Premier League Clubs Matter?! Not really, not unless all the clubs matter. And if all clubs really do matter then the immediate attention should be paid to ensuring that the lower league clubs matter, because if they were to fold and die, the entire league would suffer.
It'd be helpful all round if the supporters of the top clubs stopped being so insular, took a broader perspective, and then championed the cause for all by supporting the lower league fans who are fighting for their club's survival.
That is exactly my point AK.
They are right in 'their mind' and nothing seems to be able to change this.
You must live in a dream world tarian. You having a laugh? Youve never met them?Really ?
I've never met any of these fabled "far right" - despite them being supposedly everywhere - so I can't comment on their use of fists.
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By contrast, I've met or been right up close to a fair few "far left" - and fists - or more likely objects have been thrown by several - alongside aggressive pushing and shouting by the majority.
Really ?
I've never met any of these fabled "far right" - despite them being supposedly everywhere - so I can't comment on their use of fists.
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By contrast, I've met or been right up close to a fair few "far left" - and fists - or more likely objects have been thrown by several - alongside aggressive pushing and shouting by the majority.
Ok, a bit of critical thinking, I can do that. I think your example, merging the entire lower divisions together is a bit spurious. The slogan is "black lives matter" not "poor lives matter" or "oppressed lives matter".Let us suppose that in a while League 1 and League 2 clubs are preparing to restart playing football matches against each other. But then, just as this is about to happen there is another outbreak of the virus. Many clubs that had hung on for dear life are now facing bankruptcy and oblivion.
The Premier league and Championship clubs, meanwhile, are all still solvent, largely because of their privileged position in the top echelons of the league. They know that once the virus is beaten they will resume playing. Unlike the league 1 and league 2 clubs which are facing disaster.
In response to the situation fans of clubs in league 1 and 2 join together to form a pressure group and campaign under the slogan, "lower league clubs matter". They're not for a moment suggesting that the top clubs don't matter, it's just that it is palpably obvious that those clubs don't actually need any financial assistance. Or if they do, it pales into insignificance when compared with the small clubs in the bottom two divisions.
Disgruntled supporters of clubs such as Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal then respond with claims that 'All Clubs Matter', or worse still, 'Premier League Clubs Matter"
False analogy ( as much as the use of "cancer" or "one person's house on fire to make this argument).....
...and only begins to work if ALL of the "lower league clubs" are in a similar position and NONE of the top clubs are in difficulty ?
This analogy assumes that ALL black people have the same bad experience of the police or anyone else - and NO people of other races do.
Which is why "ALL lives matter" should have been the cry.
If even one Championship or PL club was in difficulty - then "All clubs matter" would have greater moral authority.