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O/T Covid-19 - Discussion for the duration of this crisis.

The lass said around 100 thousand deaths so that's even worse than she first thought then.

I'm pretty sure I read the yanks want the Chinese to be held accountable somewhere.

With Trump in charge I wouldn't rule a war out. He just turned their economy around, he won't be happy if that goes up in smoke.

He won't go to a hot war, he's far smarter than that but what he can now count on is the business community understanding and buy-in when he brings forward legislation to block their technology raping of the US and their state-subsidised anti-competitive behaviour that has destroyed large swathes of America's industrial strength.

And I for one also hope he forces us in the UK to follow suit.
 
Social distancing: new study suggests two metres is not enough

People may still be at risk even when they are more than two metres away from an infected person

By Sarah Knapton, Science Editor 27 March 2020 • 7:00pm
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Tesco has taped off areas in its stores so customers can maintain social distancing Credit: Toby Melville/Reuters


The two-metre social distancing rule being used to keep people apart may need to be four times bigger to prevent coronavirus from spreading, a new study by Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) suggests.
Currently, people are being asked to keep a distance of around 6ft 6in when out in the community, and many supermarkets have now stuck lines of tape to the floor to ensure adequate separation between shoppers when queuing.

But the new analysis by MIT has found that viral droplets expelled in coughs and sneezes can travel in a moist, warm atmosphere at speeds of 33ft to 100ft per second (ten metres to 100 metres), creating a cloud that can span approximately 23ft to 27ft (seven metres to eight metres).
The researchers also warned that droplets can stay suspended in the air for hours, moving along airflow patterns imposed by ventilation or climate-control systems.
Virus particles have already been found in the ventilation systems of hospital rooms of patients with coronavirus, which the MIT team believe could have been carried on "turbulent clouds" of air.
  • For the latest news on the coronavirus outbreak, listen to our daily podcast

Scientists said the research had implications for both the public and healthcare workers, who may not realise they need to wear personal protective equipment (PPE) even when they are not in close proximity to an infected patient.
Writing in the Journal of the American Medical Association (Jama), the authors said that current distance guidelines may be too short. "These distances are based on estimates of range that have not considered the possible presence of a high-momentum cloud carrying the droplets long distances.
"Given the turbulent puff cloud dynamic model, recommendations for separations of three feet to six feet (one metre to two metres) may underestimate the distance, timescale, and persistence over which the cloud and its pathogenic payload travel, thus generating an underappreciated potential exposure range for a healthcare worker.
"For these and other reasons, wearing of appropriate personal protection equipment is vitally important for health care workers caring for patients who may be infected, even if they are farther than six feet away from a patient."

A separate study in the same journal by Chinese researchers also showed that the virus can survive well in the warm, humid conditions of a swimming baths
It was hoped that when the weather warms up , coronavirus might die away, which is usually what happens with seasonal flu. But the new study suggests that this might not happen.
Nanjing Medical University in China found that after one infected man visited a bath house in the town of Huai’an, about 435 miles northeast of Wuhan, eight people using the pool contracted the coronavirus in the following days.
The virus appeared to survive despite the temperature of the pool being between 25 degrees Celsius and 41 degrees Celsius and humidity of approximately 60 per cent, conditions that normally would have killed a virus like flu.
"Previous studies have demonstrated that the transmission rate of a virus is significantly weakened in an environment with high temperature and humidity," author Dr Qilong Wang wrote.
"However, judging from the results of this study, the transmissibility showed no signs of weakening in warm and humid conditions."
 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...otted/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

If the evidence now going around is accurate then the Chinese had closer to 160,000 deaths, which accords to my virologist friend who was in Wu-han and only recently returned who assures me that China's stated public numbers are 'a figment of their propaganda'...and so the evidence that it was/is a stats cover-up is emerging everywhere.



Their population is 1,439,323,776 ( 1.4 billion ) according to this site
https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/china-demographics/

so the death numbers should be correspondingly high.
 
Social distancing: new study suggests two metres is not enough

People may still be at risk even when they are more than two metres away from an infected person

By Sarah Knapton, Science Editor 27 March 2020 • 7:00pm
Premium

TELEMMGLPICT000228512335_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVFtQMSn7ZYEgFkbAp9DEg4eKJZAPd6r6jcTrhbcVw0.jpegimwidth=480

Tesco has taped off areas in its stores so customers can maintain social distancing Credit: Toby Melville/Reuters


The two-metre social distancing rule being used to keep people apart may need to be four times bigger to prevent coronavirus from spreading, a new study by Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) suggests.
Currently, people are being asked to keep a distance of around 6ft 6in when out in the community, and many supermarkets have now stuck lines of tape to the floor to ensure adequate separation between shoppers when queuing.

But the new analysis by MIT has found that viral droplets expelled in coughs and sneezes can travel in a moist, warm atmosphere at speeds of 33ft to 100ft per second (ten metres to 100 metres), creating a cloud that can span approximately 23ft to 27ft (seven metres to eight metres).
The researchers also warned that droplets can stay suspended in the air for hours, moving along airflow patterns imposed by ventilation or climate-control systems.
Virus particles have already been found in the ventilation systems of hospital rooms of patients with coronavirus, which the MIT team believe could have been carried on "turbulent clouds" of air.
  • For the latest news on the coronavirus outbreak, listen to our daily podcast

Scientists said the research had implications for both the public and healthcare workers, who may not realise they need to wear personal protective equipment (PPE) even when they are not in close proximity to an infected patient.
Writing in the Journal of the American Medical Association (Jama), the authors said that current distance guidelines may be too short. "These distances are based on estimates of range that have not considered the possible presence of a high-momentum cloud carrying the droplets long distances.
"Given the turbulent puff cloud dynamic model, recommendations for separations of three feet to six feet (one metre to two metres) may underestimate the distance, timescale, and persistence over which the cloud and its pathogenic payload travel, thus generating an underappreciated potential exposure range for a healthcare worker.
"For these and other reasons, wearing of appropriate personal protection equipment is vitally important for health care workers caring for patients who may be infected, even if they are farther than six feet away from a patient."

A separate study in the same journal by Chinese researchers also showed that the virus can survive well in the warm, humid conditions of a swimming baths
It was hoped that when the weather warms up , coronavirus might die away, which is usually what happens with seasonal flu. But the new study suggests that this might not happen.
Nanjing Medical University in China found that after one infected man visited a bath house in the town of Huai’an, about 435 miles northeast of Wuhan, eight people using the pool contracted the coronavirus in the following days.
The virus appeared to survive despite the temperature of the pool being between 25 degrees Celsius and 41 degrees Celsius and humidity of approximately 60 per cent, conditions that normally would have killed a virus like flu.
"Previous studies have demonstrated that the transmission rate of a virus is significantly weakened in an environment with high temperature and humidity," author Dr Qilong Wang wrote.
"However, judging from the results of this study, the transmissibility showed no signs of weakening in warm and humid conditions."



Anyone who coughs or sneezes in public without covering their mouth in some way deserves a kick in the teeth.
 
What they have done at the Excel is impressive. I have been there a few times for exhibitions and it is set up for quick assembly partitioning etc.
 
Otorhinolaryngology....now there’s a word to say 10 times quickly...bet you can’t...😃😃😃🦠😷

So in dictionary corner, we currently have....

Unprecedented - never done or known before
Expunged - erase, remove, delete
Otorhinolaryngology - study of diseases of the ear, nose and throat

So in these unprecedented times we've expunged the amateur football season whilst we continue with otorhinolaryngology !!!
 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...otted/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

If the evidence now going around is accurate then the Chinese had closer to 160,000 deaths, which accords to my virologist friend who was in Wu-han and only recently returned who assures me that China's stated public numbers are 'a figment of their propaganda'...and so the evidence that it was/is a stats cover-up is emerging everywhere.

It's much higher than that, and now the pricks are gloating that the US has surpassed their bogus numbers in infections.
 
This was when I got that impression yesterday....

Q: We were told before the decision on Monday to impose much stricter rules on people’s movements that such a decision would be based on data around footfall, activity and transport. Yet the government has not so far provided any of that data to justify the most sweeping restrictions on the population the country has ever seen. Will you promise now to publish that data and explain why it hasn’t been published so far?

Can you guarantee the NHS is ready for what is about to come and if not, what is the one thing you still need from the government to prepare yourselves?

Gove says the government has followed evidence at every stage. Since the measures taken on Monday, there has been a dramatic decline in public transport use and footfall, and the majority are following the advice. The data will be shared in the spirit of transparency.

Stevens says everyone across the NHS is doing everything that could possibly be done and we are getting that support from the government.

Harries says the government has always acted on the science in this unprecedented event. Data changes frequently, so there is a moving agenda on some of the data, but be clear that we have acted on modelling and steadily implemented measures in a way that they are timed appropriately.


So 3 people in very senior positions answering the same question and not a single data point given. It might be in business that it is drilled into us that facts and figures need to support any conversation. I mostly see it missing in politics and it is becoming a really big theme across all of these daily briefings and the press keep pushing on it. That's especially relevant to the the second part of that question.

Your point is clearly well made on the press point scoring though. That's unfortunately another constant in this whole thing.

Harries says the government has always acted on the science in this unprecedented event.
NOT TRUE - 'predictive science' not 'science'.

Data changes frequently,
EXACTLY

so there is a moving agenda on some of the data
AGENDA BEING THE WORD

, but be clear that we have acted on modelling
SEE ABOVE

and steadily implemented measures in a way that they are timed appropriately.[/I]
WHICH COULD MEAN ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING

GIGO - garbage in, garbage out.
 
So in dictionary corner, we currently have....

Unprecedented - never done or known before
Expunged - erase, remove, delete
Otorhinolaryngology - study of diseases of the ear, nose and throat

So in these unprecedented times we've expunged the amateur football season whilst we continue with otorhinolaryngology !!!
I’m just waiting for the clever bugger who creates the Saturday Times giant crossword (Easy version) to slip it in as a clue....at least I’ll get one correct!
 
The French will be passing legislation which would force any company receiving government bailout that chooses to pay dividends this year, to return all the money plus interest.

This should have been implemented in the US and should definitely be implemented here, but for a 5 year period.
 
Technology
Gilead Expands Emergency Access to Experimental Coronavirus Drug
By
Jason Gale
March 28, 2020, 6:21 PM EDTUpdated on March 29, 2020, 4:49 AM EDT
  • Remdesivir given to over 1,000 patients for compassionate use
  • Multiple clinical trials may report initial results in weeks

Gilead Sciences Inc. will expand access to its experimental anti-coronavirus drug remdesivir to accelerate its emergency use for multiple severely ill patients.


The drugmaker said it’s switching to “expanded access” from a “compassionate use” program under which remdesivir was given to more than 1,000 Covid-19 patients.


“With expanded access, hospitals or physicians can apply for emergency use of remdesivir for multiple severely ill patients at a time,” Daniel O’Day, Gilead’s chairman and chief executive officer, said in an open letter sent by email Saturday. “While it will take some time to build a network of active sites, this approach will ultimately accelerate emergency access for more people.



A World Health Organization panel said in January that remdesivir was considered to be the most promising therapeutic candidate based on its broad antiviral spectrum, and existing data based on human and animal studies. The medication was developed initially for Ebola and studied in patients in Eastern Congo.
Multiple clinical trials are investigating the drug’s effects in Covid-19 patients in China and elsewhere. Initial results may be reported in the coming weeks, O’Day said.
If it is approved, the Foster City, California-based company “will work to ensure affordability and access so that remdesivir is available to patients with the greatest need,” he said.
“The urgency comes from knowing the desperate need among patients and the lack of any approved treatment,” O’Day said. “The responsibility is to ensure that remdesivir, an investigational medicine, is effective and safe before it is distributed for use worldwide.”
— With assistance by Nathan Crooks
 
The French will be passing legislation which would force any company receiving government bailout that chooses to pay dividends this year, to return all the money plus interest.

This should have been implemented in the US and should definitely be implemented here, but for a 5 year period.


Don't agree with this on a universal basis. If the company is recapitalized through the bailout then the government stands to benefit in the long term. If the government buys the debt then perhaps, unless they can resell that debt and recover their outlay. Which is likely.

Additional reasons are that there are retirees who depend on dividend income to live. Various other pension structures would be severely damaged as well.

This isn't anyone's fault. This isn't like the financial crisis where you had a breakdown in the system through criminal neglect.