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toms said:
Your idea of right wing extremism is people being against open door immigration chap. On that basis guilty as charged
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How can you make the case that labour are for open door immigration while they've got the numbers going in this direction, yet the conservatives had them going in the opposite direction?

If you're sticking by your laughable argument that this is Rishy's doing, then why haven't Labour undone it? It's just rubbish.
 
in_the_top_one said:
How can you make the case that labour are for open door immigration while they've got the numbers going in this direction, yet the conservatives had them going in the opposite direction?

If you're sticking by your laughable argument that this is Rishy's doing, then why haven't Labour undone it? It's just rubbish.
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Labour through Blair opened the doors , conservatives continued it and Labour are continuing it again. Numbers coming in are far higher than reported. Illegal immigration is going through the roof and talent and the wealthy are fleeing . Higher Taxes , worsening living standards. More mouths to feed. Less significant net contributors and the wealthy fleeing for their lives Socialism is stupid. Damn stupid.

We are heading to the economic abyss with worsening living standards for the many not the few
 
toms said:
You said this in response to a discussion about immigration

“Ahh toms, steadfastly refusing to believe anything that interferes with his completely fantasy driven right wing extremism.”
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That has absolutely nothing to do with your bullshit invented nonsense accusation that my idea of right wing extremism is people being against open door immigration.
Absolutely nothing.

We have discussed immigration many times toms, and every single time my line of thinking is that we need to sort immigration out and that governments are paying the price for ignoring what the majority of people want.
I have never once in my entire life advocated for an open door policy.

You just invented that because you talk bollocks and it is literally the only thing you know how to do, invent whatever reality you need to to fit with your preexisting notions - which are all always completely wrong.
 
toms said:
Labour through Blair opened the doors , conservatives continued it and Labour are continuing it again. Numbers coming in are far higher than reported. Illegal immigration is going through the roof and talent and the wealthy are fleeing . Higher Taxes , worsening living standards. More mouths to feed. Less significant net contributors and the wealthy fleeing for their lives Socialism is stupid. Damn stupid.

We are heading to the economic abyss with worsening living standards for the many not the few
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You can't just say something and expect it to he true

Illegal immigration is not going through the roof, it is 40% down on this time last year. You have zero evidence to the contrary

Legal migration has not continued to rise, it has fallen sharply under this government

YOU enthusiastically voted for the guy who knowing and willingly allowed a million people a year to move here, mostly of them from outside the EU. You voted for that man. I think you are probably the only one involved in this conversation who did.
 
Pope John XXIII said:
You can't just say something and expect it to he true

Illegal immigration is not going through the roof, it is 40% down on this time last year. You have zero evidence to the contrary

Legal migration has not continued to rise, it has fallen sharply under this government

YOU enthusiastically voted for the guy who knowing and willingly allowed a million people a year to move here, mostly of them from outside the EU. You voted for that man. I think you are probably the only one involved in this conversation who did.
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Although this is an obviously true fact, toms will not believe it.
 
weejockmcplop said:
That has absolutely nothing to do with your bullshit invented nonsense accusation that my idea of right wing extremism is people being against open door immigration.
Absolutely nothing.

We have discussed immigration many times toms, and every single time my line of thinking is that we need to sort immigration out and that governments are paying the price for ignoring what the majority of people want.
I have never once in my entire life advocated for an open door policy.

You just invented that because you talk bollocks and it is literally the only thing you know how to do, invent whatever reality you need to to fit with your preexisting notions - which are all always completely wrong.
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So what were you meaning when you mentioned right wing extremism.
 
toms said:
So what were you meaning when you mentioned right wing extremism.
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My idea of right wing extremism is, for example, watching the Tories screw up immigration for 14 consecutive years, and then seeing it finally turn around under Labour but refusing to look reality in the face and say something positive about what Labour have done because you are so completely brainwashed that you can't let anything that contradicts your 'the left are always 100% wrong about everything' worldview get past the brainwashing.

It's like if you point out the problems with the jihadist worldview, they will always blame 'the west' instead of dealing with reality.
 
toms said:
The immigration we have had, the true numbers , is baked in. Any annual drop is virtually meaningless and the drop we have had is nothing to do with Labour . Zilch
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What have this government done to enact their Open Door Immigration Policy you keep talking about?

Also, some evidence that the wealthy are fleeing for their lives would help back up your point.


We do have rising taxes, as we have had under every recent gov. We would also have that under farage if only he could beat a chap with a bin on his head next month, or win against other opposition a few months later after he is likely recalled following his rule breaking bribes.
 
in_the_top_one said:
What have this government done to enact their Open Door Immigration Policy you keep talking about?

Also, some evidence that the wealthy are fleeing for their lives would help back up your point.


We do have rising taxes, as we have had under every recent gov. We would also have that under farage if only he could beat a chap with a bin on his head next month, or win against other opposition a few months later after he is likely recalled following his rule breaking bribes.
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You mean after your gutless party couldn’t put up a candidate having been bleating on about wanting an election for weeks. Pitiful. Farage every day of the week over Davey
 
weejockmcplop said:
My idea of right wing extremism is, for example, watching the Tories screw up immigration for 14 consecutive years, and then seeing it finally turn around under Labour but refusing to look reality in the face and say something positive about what Labour have done because you are so completely brainwashed that you can't let anything that contradicts your 'the left are always 100% wrong about everything' worldview get past the brainwashing.

It's like if you point out the problems with the jihadist worldview, they will always blame 'the west' instead of dealing with reality.
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Oh I agree with you Boris screwed up big time but do I buy Labour’s numbers , their smash the gang rhetoric or their feeble attempts to claim credit for the Tories implementing changes to remedy their errors. No way. Thats not right wing extremism , that’s years of experience watching the left u-turn and lie through their teeth
 
toms said:
Oh I agree with you Boris screwed up big time but do I buy Labour’s numbers , their smash the gang rhetoric or their feeble attempts to claim credit for the Tories implementing changes to remedy their errors. No way. Thats not right wing extremism , that’s years of experience watching the left u-turn and lie through their teeth
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So have the tories implemented a successful plan? Or are Labour lying about the numbers?
You do tie yourself up in knots with this.

By the way, did you see Trump's gov has had to pay back over 80bn this year in illegal tariffs. And who has he paid it to..?
 
in_the_top_one said:
So have the tories implemented a successful plan? Or are Labour lying about the numbers?
You do tie yourself up in knots with this.
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The problem is toms won't believe that there's a contradiction there, even though there absolutely just is.
Whenever he's wrong about anything, he just flat out refuses to believe the facts around it.

It must be so fucking easy.
 
weejockmcplop said:
The problem is toms won't believe that there's a contradiction there, even though there absolutely just is.
Whenever he's wrong about anything, he just flat out refuses to believe the facts around it.

It must be so fucking easy.
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There is no successful immigration plan that doesn’t involve a complete pause for 5 years save for health workers (to the extent absolutely necessary) skilled and higher net worth individuals. And No benefits to people who are not British citizens. In other words, don’t come here unless you are self sustaining. So there is no contradiction . Both the conservatives and Labour are as useless as each other and rather like inflation the fact that it is coming down doesn’t mean the inflation that occurred didn’t happen.
 
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