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Agreed - and thanks for the chord construct information....! - have you not finished painting the fence though ?Belting song
Superb use of a transition to a B major chord (rather than a B minor) in the chorus too.
Agreed - and thanks for the chord construct information....! - have you not finished painting the fence though ?Belting song
Superb use of a transition to a B major chord (rather than a B minor) in the chorus too.
Is that you Stanley ?I voted LOSE.
Because i'm crap at gambling and i hope i lose this vote.
No, it's LivingstoneIs that you Stanley ?
I know Kendrick said that's what he was told by the Administrators, but that's not the way that previous appeals have gone.
To be honest, it doesn't really matter to us (points wise) ....................... unless of course, a complete overturn of the decision means that any transfer restrictions would also be rescinded. .......... which would be a bonus.
....... have you not finished painting the fence though ?
If all things were fair and even i think should probably win, but i fear we wont.
The EFL acted in haste which has landed us here. Thing is rather than support us and be transparent they have done everything possible - deduction, no solidarity payment, legal fees and manipulated SW deduction - to deter us which hasn't worked. Whatever happens I am proud that as a club we have kept swinging at the feckers rather than taking a knee to themIf all things were fair and even i think should probably win, but i fear we wont.
It was the right thing to fight this all the way as we have a good case but i don't trust the system to give a fair answer. If they were debating taking points off in the future (like Sheff Wed) i'd fancy us strongly. But once the punishment was applied and the final league table published with our deduction i think there will be a massive reluctance to give the points back.
It's a bit like they are happy to overturn a wrong red card so the player can feature in future games but they wouldn't go back and overturn a goal wrongly given offside which would change the result of the previous game. I think they'll look at it a bit like that unfortunately.
They couldn't wait to punish us and they will have moved heaven and earth to try and salvage some credability. I suspect announcing the deduction for Wed last week was deliberetly timed so they can say 'see we are consistent as it's not just you getting docked points' even though it's highly inconsistent.
Love to be proven wrong but i'd be stunned if they overturned our deduction. I'm hoping for the best but i've been preparing for the worth throughout.
That's a heads we win, tails we lose line if ever I saw one KDZ.
I've always thought it's all or nothing on the points as the rules clearly state 12 point deduction - it's just a case if the rules were applied correctly under the circumstances.
That's the initial penalty. Upon appeal ......
12.3.18 The League Arbitration Panel shall have the power to:
(a) confirm the deduction of 12 points; or
(b) set aside the deduction of 12 points and substitute a deduction of such lower number of points as it shall deem appropriate; or
(c) order that there shall be no sanction at all.
Any reduction that relegates Barnsley probably opens up a legal can of worms. Barnsley can't appeal the decision but they will be looking to sue everyone for loss of earnings. If they keep the punishment in place but reduce it slightly i think it would be a drastically easier line of attack for the Barnsley lawyers.
Moving forward it's much easier to just keep our punishment in place and their legal problems disapear, i'm sure those type of things will have been discussed. I think that will be the main thing that will get us unfortunately.
Barnsley have sweet FA to whinge about.
Their points tally still didn't match ours before we went into administration.
Regardless, if they're discussing how the decision affects other clubs then that's completely out of order. Nowt to do with them .......... the only issue is whether or not a penalty against Wigan was a) in order, and b) appropriate .
So you see 'taking the knee' as a subservient action?The EFL acted in haste which has landed us here. Thing is rather than support us and be transparent they have done everything possible - deduction, no solidarity payment, legal fees and manipulated SW deduction - to deter us which hasn't worked. Whatever happens I am proud that as a club we have kept swinging at the feckers rather than taking a knee to them
I'd have thought that the precedent has already been set with Blackpool being reprieved.It's more the Pandora's Box of precedents it sets up. I've never heard or seen points given back after they were deducted from the table. Hope we are the first but this isn't about and what is right us to the FA it's about them and what is best for them. If doing right by us causes them issues and doing us over gives them an easy life then i fear they wont care too much about the rights and wrongs.
Any reduction that relegates Barnsley probably opens up a legal can of worms. Barnsley can't appeal the decision but they will be looking to sue everyone for loss of earnings. If they keep the punishment in place but reduce it slightly i think it would be a drastically easier line of attack for the Barnsley lawyers.
Moving forward it's much easier to just keep our punishment in place and their legal problems disapear, i'm sure those type of things will have been discussed. I think that will be the main thing that will get us unfortunately.