Calvin Plummer
Vital Football Legend
At this level it may help to keep the best forward options on the field untill either the game is over or the match is heading towards a comfortable win.
Would any other team take the best player off Totaly in control of that game then makes silly changes and starts playing hoof ball to Vaughan.
When they went off we where under intense pressure and conceding corner after corner.
To be fair they were starting to get on top when the subs were made. We have struggled after 65 mins in the first two, thought we made it to around 70-75 before fading today. Even without the subs possibly the outcome would of been the same. One thing that wouldn't of been the same is that Grigg would of held the ball better. Giving them less momentum and the defence a chance to rest every now and then.
2 points dropped today I feel but another terrific game to watch.....what was their penalty for and did the referee change his mind?
Not a game Morsy will want to remember - he was at fault for both goals.
I agree cracking match and we are playing our best football for years. Should have been out of sight by half time.
Referee gave us nothing and allowed Forrest to bully and intimidate right from the off and get away with numerous niggley fouls. Then, because of poor referee's decisions it lead to the trouble with Vaughan and disrupted our concentration. He then allowed himself to be intimidated by the Forrest players to give a penalty, which was very soft.
Yes should of been three or four by half time, how big was that goalie?
That was never a penalty for me either live or watching it back. Ref seemed hell bent on 'evening it up' after he gave us a pen and should've sent their man off for deliberate foul to stop goal scoring chance - he was a disgrace.
We were superb but robbed today. Again nothing to fear in this league once we iron out our mistakes and we stop having so much bad luck.
Referee was pants today and an embarassment to his profession.
Crap attendance today btw.
Around 9000 home fans isnt bad, vast majority being season card holders. We are not going to get many more home fans through the gate all season.
Another entertaining afternoon of football but very disappointed not to take all three points.
I agree with the above about the referees performance, it was absolutely atrocious. I appreciate the law has changed around red cards for penalties but I understood that if there was no genuine attempt to get the ball then it was still red if a clear goal scoring opportunity. For me that criteria was hit so given that I'm unsure why it wasn't a red - hopefully someone can correct me if my law interpretation is wrong. The fact he then faffed around after awarding it, appearing utterly clueless as to what to do, creating confusion which set the tone for the afternoon. After that he didn't seem to have a clue about what was a foul and what wasn't. The 'handbags' toward the end was as a result of this clown failing to get a grip. The Forest penalty he only made his mind up after being surrounded and hounded. It was utterly pathetic and quite frankly a disgrace to his profession to allow himself to be bullied and influenced in such a way, whether or not it was a penalty (on 1st viewing I think it was though yet to see replay). No doubt we try that on Wednesday and we'll have 3 booked. I hope the club send in the appropriate feedback about his piss poor officiating.
Robinson had a few good moments going forward but should take some fault for letting his man beat him leading up to the penalty (which I thought was the right call after rewinding my live stream and watching again). 2nd half was a bit disappointing overall. We never seemed all that close to a 3rd goal.
We were the best team by miles today, soft first goal, ball given away by morsy, and soft pen, its a hard league, we need to be more smarter and see games out very entertaining though.
Another cracking game that should have been over as a contest by half time such was our dominance.
I don't know what the referee had in his tea at the break, but he was a complete loony in the 2nd half. Some of his decisions baffled us.
Errors by us yet again gifted forest a point which they didn't deserve. They are poor considering the money they've spent.
Watched it again and again...never a penalty...but we should have been home and dry by then.
Referee was truely appalling again today. Ignoring his piss poor management of the game, having seen the highlights it is definite red for our penalty. Having given the foul I fail to see how this decision wasn't reached. As for the Forest penalty my initial reaction it was and so whilst it maybe correct he was going to give a yellow for a dive until allowing himself to be intimidated by a throng of Forest players into changing his mind. What an absolute disgrace of a referee.
Never a penalty into memory of man.
Watched a steward get floored over in the North West corner of the Stadium. I hope he is ok after that unwanted experience. It looked like a punch to the head but I was over on the opposite corner of the stadium. Easy to spot though .... a big bloke in a black t-shirt and shorts, his wife in pink / salmon t-shirt and shorts plus two children were "escorted" out of the stadium by police and stewards.
Gawd knows what went on to merit that incident.
A game plan that takes the game to the opposition, right from the get go. Superb stuff. Forest reverted to hoof ball .... urgh.
Our penalty, if he is to deem it a penalty (which it of course was) would have to warrant a red card being shown. Not only was it a professional foul by the Forrest defender but a deliberate attempt to unfairly prevent an obvious goal scoring opportunity. As someone who as officiated football matches in the past, the one rule I would say is gospel is if you make a decision you must follow up with it's consequences. You cannot award a penalty like that without brandishing a red. You can not "half arse" the decision. This worked in our favour may I mention as Evans (if I remember correctly) elbowed one of the Forrest players and a free kick was awarded. Though I am glad all 11 Wigan players stayed on the pitch, the referee must realise that if he is to penalise a player for what he believes to be an elbow he must give the due punishment, and this sort of behaviour happened time and time again.
As for the Forrest penalty, how a individual in such a position would lack such confidence in his own ability to be so simply swayed by the persuasion of a set of players harassing him is most upsetting. I do not believe that their penalty was stone wall, however Sam was silly to attempt such a challenge as it only opens doors for these situations. Nevertheless, our former hero Watson channeled his inner Billy Bremner along with the rest of the Forrest players thinking they were Don Revie's Leeds and chose to scream at the ref until the eventually got what they wanted. One can only assume that if our lads had done the same that a infinite loop of changed decisions would have ensued, making for most entertaining viewing.
2-2 I feel is two points lost after today, but we march on.
If that Forrest team is the same one that some predict to have an outside shot of play offs (which I can't see from today really) we are in for good shot this season. Sort out the mistakes and get a be more wise with certain decisions and games like that will be ours all day.
Would any other team take the best player off Totaly in control of that game then makes silly changes and starts playing hoof ball to Vaughan.
When they went off we where under intense pressure and conceding corner after corner.
To be fair they were starting to get on top when the subs were made. We have struggled after 65 mins in the first two, thought we made it to around 70-75 before fading today. Even without the subs possibly the outcome would of been the same. One thing that wouldn't of been the same is that Grigg would of held the ball better. Giving them less momentum and the defence a chance to rest every now and then.
2 points dropped today I feel but another terrific game to watch.....what was their penalty for and did the referee change his mind?
Not a game Morsy will want to remember - he was at fault for both goals.
I agree cracking match and we are playing our best football for years. Should have been out of sight by half time.
Referee gave us nothing and allowed Forrest to bully and intimidate right from the off and get away with numerous niggley fouls. Then, because of poor referee's decisions it lead to the trouble with Vaughan and disrupted our concentration. He then allowed himself to be intimidated by the Forrest players to give a penalty, which was very soft.
Yes should of been three or four by half time, how big was that goalie?
That was never a penalty for me either live or watching it back. Ref seemed hell bent on 'evening it up' after he gave us a pen and should've sent their man off for deliberate foul to stop goal scoring chance - he was a disgrace.
We were superb but robbed today. Again nothing to fear in this league once we iron out our mistakes and we stop having so much bad luck.
Referee was pants today and an embarassment to his profession.
Crap attendance today btw.
Around 9000 home fans isnt bad, vast majority being season card holders. We are not going to get many more home fans through the gate all season.
Another entertaining afternoon of football but very disappointed not to take all three points.
I agree with the above about the referees performance, it was absolutely atrocious. I appreciate the law has changed around red cards for penalties but I understood that if there was no genuine attempt to get the ball then it was still red if a clear goal scoring opportunity. For me that criteria was hit so given that I'm unsure why it wasn't a red - hopefully someone can correct me if my law interpretation is wrong. The fact he then faffed around after awarding it, appearing utterly clueless as to what to do, creating confusion which set the tone for the afternoon. After that he didn't seem to have a clue about what was a foul and what wasn't. The 'handbags' toward the end was as a result of this clown failing to get a grip. The Forest penalty he only made his mind up after being surrounded and hounded. It was utterly pathetic and quite frankly a disgrace to his profession to allow himself to be bullied and influenced in such a way, whether or not it was a penalty (on 1st viewing I think it was though yet to see replay). No doubt we try that on Wednesday and we'll have 3 booked. I hope the club send in the appropriate feedback about his piss poor officiating.
Robinson had a few good moments going forward but should take some fault for letting his man beat him leading up to the penalty (which I thought was the right call after rewinding my live stream and watching again). 2nd half was a bit disappointing overall. We never seemed all that close to a 3rd goal.
We were the best team by miles today, soft first goal, ball given away by morsy, and soft pen, its a hard league, we need to be more smarter and see games out very entertaining though.
Another cracking game that should have been over as a contest by half time such was our dominance.
I don't know what the referee had in his tea at the break, but he was a complete loony in the 2nd half. Some of his decisions baffled us.
Errors by us yet again gifted forest a point which they didn't deserve. They are poor considering the money they've spent.
Watched it again and again...never a penalty...but we should have been home and dry by then.
Referee was truely appalling again today. Ignoring his piss poor management of the game, having seen the highlights it is definite red for our penalty. Having given the foul I fail to see how this decision wasn't reached. As for the Forest penalty my initial reaction it was and so whilst it maybe correct he was going to give a yellow for a dive until allowing himself to be intimidated by a throng of Forest players into changing his mind. What an absolute disgrace of a referee.
Never a penalty into memory of man.
Watched a steward get floored over in the North West corner of the Stadium. I hope he is ok after that unwanted experience. It looked like a punch to the head but I was over on the opposite corner of the stadium. Easy to spot though .... a big bloke in a black t-shirt and shorts, his wife in pink / salmon t-shirt and shorts plus two children were "escorted" out of the stadium by police and stewards.
Gawd knows what went on to merit that incident.
A game plan that takes the game to the opposition, right from the get go. Superb stuff. Forest reverted to hoof ball .... urgh.
Our penalty, if he is to deem it a penalty (which it of course was) would have to warrant a red card being shown. Not only was it a professional foul by the Forrest defender but a deliberate attempt to unfairly prevent an obvious goal scoring opportunity. As someone who as officiated football matches in the past, the one rule I would say is gospel is if you make a decision you must follow up with it's consequences. You cannot award a penalty like that without brandishing a red. You can not "half arse" the decision. This worked in our favour may I mention as Evans (if I remember correctly) elbowed one of the Forrest players and a free kick was awarded. Though I am glad all 11 Wigan players stayed on the pitch, the referee must realise that if he is to penalise a player for what he believes to be an elbow he must give the due punishment, and this sort of behaviour happened time and time again.
As for the Forrest penalty, how a individual in such a position would lack such confidence in his own ability to be so simply swayed by the persuasion of a set of players harassing him is most upsetting. I do not believe that their penalty was stone wall, however Sam was silly to attempt such a challenge as it only opens doors for these situations. Nevertheless, our former hero Watson channeled his inner Billy Bremner along with the rest of the Forrest players thinking they were Don Revie's Leeds and chose to scream at the ref until the eventually got what they wanted. One can only assume that if our lads had done the same that a infinite loop of changed decisions would have ensued, making for most entertaining viewing.
2-2 I feel is two points lost after today, but we march on.
If that Forrest team is the same one that some predict to have an outside shot of play offs (which I can't see from today really) we are in for good shot this season. Sort out the mistakes and get a be more wise with certain decisions and games like that will be ours all day.
