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TRUE BELIEVER
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As far as I'm concerned there is no right or wrong in this matter. I felt "joy" at the way the team played, you obviously had different feelings, no argument.
Others also felt the same as I did and maybe some felt relieved, we all have different feelings. You cannot tell me how I feel or indeed how others feel the same way thatI cannot tell you how you feel.
No one is trying to say that the joy felt will last the whole season or indeed beyond the next match. So in my opinion, and I am sure you will have your own, the facts are that it would be impossible to prove either way who is right or wrong because a feeling is something personal and we can all feel differently in the same situation.
Personally I think your statement that Moonay is always right is provocative and a little churlish towards another poster who does nothing more than express his own opinion,and to my knowledge has never professed that he is right in any discussion he contributes to.
nottinghamlatic
Vital Reserves Team
Can't beat a bit of provocation, TB, to stimulate debate.
BrickLatic
Vital Squad Member
This is what was sed at post 37 by notts.
"Early days, yet. Can they produce the goods on a long term basis? That's the question. "
This is (part) of what moonay sed at post 38.
"Yesterday was a joy.......and an unexpected one at that. "
so who was teling who what to feel. in your vewe.
asking for a friend
BrickLatic
Vital Squad Member
TRUE BELIEVER
Vital Football Hero
Can understand you wanting to stimulate debate but stating that someone sees themselves as "always right" is going to create an argument and the debate will slide into a slanging match very quickly. I thought we were all trying to avoid confrontation.
TRUE BELIEVER
Vital Football Hero
Brick mate, you possibly see this in a different light to me, but I read this as Moonay expressing his own joy and feelings and not in any way forcing his belief on the rest of us. That's my view, you and others may differ.
Nowhere in his post or indeed any other posts on the thread do I see anyone saying that we have overnight become world beaters.
Notts post was his own reaction to the game and clearly points out that although he enjoyed the game he was going to temper his reaction and reserve judgement. As I say you cannot tell another person what to feel, you can however tell them how you feel.
Having said all that I hope I have interpreted both Moonays & Notts feelings correctly and if I haven't I hope they will accept my apologies if not.
moonay
Vital Football Legend
Thanks for the support TB. Notts' allegation of others (well, me) always wanting to be right is probably more a reflection of his own attitude and mindset. It's OK. I've already told him that he was right in what he said in his first post........ its just that he was missing the point.
It was good that Brick was trying to do a little stirring, as it backfired, and proved the point re "feelings" quite nicely.
I actually agree with Notts that sometimes, a little "provocation" is healthy to generate debate........... and it's something Notts is good at. However, knowing when to put down a shovel is summat in which Notts is less proficient.
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It was good that Brick was trying to do a little stirring, as it backfired, and proved the point re "feelings" quite nicely.
I actually agree with Notts that sometimes, a little "provocation" is healthy to generate debate........... and it's something Notts is good at. However, knowing when to put down a shovel is summat in which Notts is less proficient.
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BrickLatic
Vital Squad Member
backfired my arse. you wuldnt know about others feelings if they bit you on the bollox. were you tend to keep your logic.
my referance to country mile was missed by you by a - well.
agen, for the hard of thinking, i stated that notts made an inocuous statement and it were you that introduced the emoteon of joy, not notts. and then (in what is commonly seen on heer as a moonay shuffle) you ducked and dived to wriggle your wey out of your embarasing positeon on teh subject. in your ususal manner of conflating the topic then chucking blame back in the hope nobody goes back to see how it started. have you been teking lessons from another poster on heer or what.
when it comes to shuvels youve got internateonal colors for your digging mate so i wuldnt lecture him on that either.
tb. i think i didnt make myself cleer to you. and i apologise. it were never about someone telling someone how to feel it were always about how the subject were changed. manipulated and then bounced back to make it look like the other were in the rong. im sorry but im with notts on this. thats why i put my tuppy worth in. his questeon were taken the rong way. it wernt adressed. then it were atacked as if notts had personaly shit on every person who went to the game and there feelings.
it were a cheep shot. it were out of order. it wernt very clever. and it wernt surprising. as miw sed in part of it all. it then came down to arguing semantics. if anybody shuld of put the shovel down it shuld of been moonay but he had his araldite gloves on.
good luck to you tb. your a top lad - wuld of loved to have seen how you kept the net back in the day.
my last word on this. unless im atacked agen.
moonay
Vital Football Legend
I wasn't Chet ....... and I'm not.
Brick, the "innocuous statement" made by Notts had a response from me in the very first sentence of my post that followed.
You're completely correct that it was me who brought up the subject of "joy" ............... I've never said it wasn't .............. it's just that it was Notts who maintained that I (& others) couldn't have been feeling joy - as there wasn't enough at stake - and instead, it was more likely to be "relief".
No shuffling. None at all. Not even a spin. Straight bat to everything. No subject change.
As for the "backfired" bit, of course it did .......... it blew right up in your face. You asked TB who was telling who what to feel ............ and so I told you the post nos (2 of them) where Notts was trying to say that all those who claimed to have thought it was a joy were mistaken.
I've already clarified the point about asking if Notts attended ........ and I think that the answer goes a long way to understanding his position (in comparison to the feelings of those who did)................. but no-one was telling him how he should have felt........... just how we did.
Finally, re your reference to a country mile ................ I didn't miss it ...... I just didn't have a clue what you were on about.
If you think that me putting you right on a couple of points equates to you being "attacked", then I look forward to your response. I'm not really sure what you'd gain by it though.
Brick, the "innocuous statement" made by Notts had a response from me in the very first sentence of my post that followed.
You're completely correct that it was me who brought up the subject of "joy" ............... I've never said it wasn't .............. it's just that it was Notts who maintained that I (& others) couldn't have been feeling joy - as there wasn't enough at stake - and instead, it was more likely to be "relief".
No shuffling. None at all. Not even a spin. Straight bat to everything. No subject change.
As for the "backfired" bit, of course it did .......... it blew right up in your face. You asked TB who was telling who what to feel ............ and so I told you the post nos (2 of them) where Notts was trying to say that all those who claimed to have thought it was a joy were mistaken.
I've already clarified the point about asking if Notts attended ........ and I think that the answer goes a long way to understanding his position (in comparison to the feelings of those who did)................. but no-one was telling him how he should have felt........... just how we did.
Finally, re your reference to a country mile ................ I didn't miss it ...... I just didn't have a clue what you were on about.
If you think that me putting you right on a couple of points equates to you being "attacked", then I look forward to your response. I'm not really sure what you'd gain by it though.
TRUE BELIEVER
Vital Football Hero
good luck to you tb. your a top lad - wuld of loved to have seen how you kept the net back in the day.
my last word on this. unless im atacked agen.[/QUOTE]
If you played in any of the leagues around Wigan in the seventies you may well have come across me Brick. I was known by two monicas, the first being "the flying pig" and I assure you this was not in homage to the Liverpool legend Tommy Lawrence or "Billy Casper" after his performance in "Kes".
my last word on this. unless im atacked agen.[/QUOTE]
If you played in any of the leagues around Wigan in the seventies you may well have come across me Brick. I was known by two monicas, the first being "the flying pig" and I assure you this was not in homage to the Liverpool legend Tommy Lawrence or "Billy Casper" after his performance in "Kes".
BrickLatic
Vital Squad Member
were too. just not man enuogh to admit it tho.
"Notts, you're right. Of course you're right. We all know you're right. You're also missing the point by a country mile.
condesending and sarcastic claptrap - this is how you describe as 'response' to his questeon. bullshit mate. if miw had sed this agenst henski the alert button would have been in meltdown. out of order. then you went on to spout the folowing drivel
Yesterday was a joy.......and an unexpected one at that. I reckon everyone who went to the game came off buzzing. We knew we hadn't won the league, but we'd put in a decent performance, with 3 good - nay, excellent - debuts, and took a well deserved 3 points. Life was good....... in fact, it was bloody fantastic.
no menteon of 'in my opineon' or 'i thowt this or that' you went strate into it was a joy, everyone who went came of buzzin and it was bloody fantastic. its your opineon mate but if you enter a argument about telling somebody else of for telling peeple what to think then put your own house in order furst.
oh. and you still didnt adress his questeon in your reply.
i no im rite
my arse. you engineered the conservation to suit your agenda agenst notts. he saw it. i saw it. others saw it. more bloody shuffle than a casino croupier mate.
you keep seying it backfired. exsactly what backfired. is this sommart else your making up in your mind. as if some master plan between me and notts has not worked. i made a point. you danced and shuffled. then go into a davefromskemesq melt down.
irelevent. and can i sey bloody childish
none so blind as they sey
i think the dey you put me rite on a cuple of points will be the dey i move into apleby court. ive been mauled by flufier lambs
moonay
Vital Football Legend
I think the dey you rite owt ov any sens will be the dey I start lissenin to you.
Even Trump argues a better defence than you are in this instance Brick. I used to think that there was some intellectual integrity behind some of your posts ............. just proves (like Notts tells me) I'm not always right.
Even Trump argues a better defence than you are in this instance Brick. I used to think that there was some intellectual integrity behind some of your posts ............. just proves (like Notts tells me) I'm not always right.
hindleymonwafc
Vital Champions League
If you played in any of the leagues around Wigan in the seventies you may well have come across me.....[/QUOTE]
TB...I bet our paths crossed around this time. Late seventies me and a lot of my drinking buddies played for the cracking Hindley Celtic team ( ironic as I am a staunch Rangers man ).
I was known as Rueben.
jocklatic
Vital 1st Team Regular
Chet
Wasn't able to go to the game on Sat n wot people have said it seems I either missed a cracker of a game or a stuffy/ phew win so sadly I can't comment on the game. I can however say that the season is barely a week old & already we have he said/ she said - I'm right/ your wrong slugfest with the insults starting to crank up already. Who'd have thought the word 'Joy' could have caused so much angst among fellow Latics fans.
Going on Saturday so I best be careful what I post after the match I guess lol......
TRUE BELIEVER
Vital Football Hero
TB...I bet our paths crossed around this time. Late seventies me and a lot of my drinking buddies played for the cracking Hindley Celtic team ( ironic as I am a staunch Rangers man ).
I was known as Rueben.[/QUOTE]
Played against Castle Hill a few times in the Sunday League, but spent most of my Saturdays in the Warrington Ammy League playing teams around Warrington, Widnes and Runcorn. Happy days but oh so long ago.
