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Who are Antifa?

Buddha

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This is taken from the Washington Post:

Short for anti-fascist in many languages, antifa (pronounced AN-tifa) or militant antifascism is a politics of social revolutionary self-defense applied to fighting the far right which traces its heritage back to the radicals who resisted Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler in Italy and Germany a century ago. Many Americans had never heard of Antifa before masked antifascists smashed windows to shut down Milo Yiannopoulos in Berkeley, Calif., in early 2017 or confronted white supremacists in Charlottesville later that year — when a fascist murdered Heather Heyer and injured many more with his car in a way that frighteningly presaged the New York police officers who drove into protesters on Saturday in Brooklyn.

Based on my research into antifa groups, I believe it’s true that most, if not all, members do wholeheartedly support militant self-defense against the police and the targeted destruction of police and capitalist property that has accompanied it this week. I’m also confident that some members of antifa groups have participated in a variety of forms of resistance during this dramatic rebellion. Yet it is impossible to ascertain the exact number of people who belong to antifa groups because members hide their political activities from law enforcement and the far right, and concerns about infiltration and high expectations of commitment keep the sizes of groups rather small. Basically, there are nowhere near enough anarchists and members of antifa groups to have accomplished such breathtaking destruction on their own. Yes, the hashtag “#IamAntifa” trended on Twitter on Sunday, suggesting a very broad support of the politics of antifascism. Yet there is a significant difference between belonging to an organized antifa group and supporting their actions online.

Trump’s declaration seems impossible to enforce — and not only because there is no mechanism for the president to designate domestic groups as terrorist organizations. Though antifa groups exist, antifa itself is not an organization. Self-identified antifa groups like Rose City Antifa in Portland, Ore., the oldest currently existing antifa group in the country, expose the identities of local Nazis and confront the far right in the streets. But antifa itself is not an overarching organization with a chain of command, as Trump and his allies have been suggesting. Instead, largely anarchist and anti-authoritarian antifa groups share resources and information about far-right activity across regional and national borders through loosely knit networks and informal relationships of trust and solidarity.

And in the United States, antifa have never killed anyone, unlike their enemies in Klan hoods and squad cars.

Though the specific tradition of militant antifascism inspired by groups in Europe came to the United States in the late 1980s with the creation of Anti-Racist Action, a wide variety of Black and Latinx groups, such as the Black Panthers and Puerto Rican Movimiento de Liberación Nacional (MLN), situated their struggle in terms of antifascism in the 1970s and 1980s. Expanding the picture further, we can trace the broader tradition of collective self-defense against white supremacy and imperialism even farther back through resistance to indigenous genocide and the legacy of militant black liberation represented by Malcolm X, Robert F. Williams, C.L.R. James, Ida B. Wells, Harriet Tubman and slave rebellions. This black radical tradition, black feminism and more recent abolitionist politics influenced by organizations like 'Critical Resistance' and 'Survived and Punished' clearly inform the actions of protesters far more than antifa (though there are black antifa and others who have been influenced by all of the above).

Trump is conjuring the spectre of “antifa” (while Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz blamed “white supremacists” and “the cartel”) to break the connection between this popular groundswell of anti-racist and black activism that has developed over recent years and the insurrections that have exploded across the country in recent days — which put police brutality in full view whether we agree with how it got there or not. Paradoxically, this move actually suggests a tacit acknowledgement of popular sympathy with the grievances and tactics of the protesters: If torching malls and police stations were sufficient on their own to delegitimize protests, there would be no need to blame “antifa.”

This is not the first time Trump or other GOP politicians have called for antifa to be declared a “terrorist” organization. So far, such calls have amounted to little more than rhetoric — but they carry an ominous potential. If antifa groups are composed of a wide range of socialists, anarchists, communists and other radicals, then declaring antifa to be a “terrorist” organization would pave the way to criminalizing and delegitimizing all politics to the left of Joe Biden.

But in the case of the George Floyd protests, right-wing attempts to blame everything on antifa — perceived by many to be predominantly white — evince a kind of racism that assumes that black people couldn’t organize on this deep and wide of a scale. Trump and his allies also have a more specific motive: If the flames and broken glass were simply blamed on “antifa” or “outsiders” — as if anyone had to travel very far to protest — then the urgency would shift from addressing the root causes of Floyd’s death to figuring out how to stop the shadowy boogeyman Trump rails against. Even if you disagree with property destruction, it’s easy to see the chain of events between Floyd’s death and burning police cars. Trump’s misinformation aims to mislead us all.
 
So ironic, seeing that the US appears to be moving rapidly to becoming a police state. Some of the filmed examples of police attacking journalists are truly shocking. It's almost as if Trump's decided these are the conditions he needs to be re-elected. Horribly reminiscent of Kevin Spacey in House of Cards...
 
So ironic, seeing that the US appears to be moving rapidly to becoming a police state. Some of the filmed examples of police attacking journalists are truly shocking. It's almost as if Trump's decided these are the conditions he needs to be re-elected. Horribly reminiscent of Kevin Spacey in House of Cards...
Boris Johnson is Trump's little lap dog and worryingly we follow in America's footsteps.
 
So ironic, seeing that the US appears to be moving rapidly to becoming a police state. Some of the filmed examples of police attacking journalists are truly shocking. It's almost as if Trump's decided these are the conditions he needs to be re-elected. Horribly reminiscent of Kevin Spacey in House of Cards...

Quite right (though I've not seen House of Cards!).

If anyone has missed what Eager is talking about, here are:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...in-attacks-as-u-s-protests-rage-idUSKBN2370T5
 
There is no such thing as Antifa, which makes it even funnier when Trump wants it added to the list of terrorist outfits.
 
There is no such thing as Antifa, which makes it even funnier when Trump wants it added to the list of terrorist outfits.

The authorities everywhere have always hated the fact that we have no leaders, we have no hierarchy.

So conditioned are they that they think we must have. It just doesn't compute to them, so reliant are they on orders from above. We take no orders and we give no orders.

They think that if they can just cut the head off then we will wither and die. But there is no head to cut off.

We are one, we are none, we are everywhere.

We are not an organised organisation, we are a loose coalition of like minded individuals united in our opposition to fascism and racism. They cannot kill us, they cannot stop us, because we are nowhere but we are everywhere.
 
That is correct Buddha.
I vaguely recall looking into Antifa back in the eighties and if I recall correctly, they were just considered an ineffective rabble of idealists.

It does appear that the situation has changed despite your denials

I’d expect some arrests to be announced shortly.
 
That is correct Buddha.
I vaguely recall looking into Antifa back in the eighties and if I recall correctly, they were just considered an ineffective rabble of idealists.

It does appear that the situation has changed despite your denials

I’d expect some arrests to be announced shortly.

Sorry mate, not really following. What is correct?

How has the what situation changed, and what am I denying?
 
Sorry mate, not really following. What is correct?

How has the what situation changed, and what am I denying?
Sorry, I wasn’t clear.

Antifa lurks in the dark corner of the web which is exactly where the security services operate these days.

The level of surveillance nowdays is far more than back in my day.
I would be surprised if most serious activists were not already known.
 
In Minneapolis, the original pitch of the authorities blaming the disproportionate involvement of "outside agitators," to use an old term, from both left and right for the violence has been modified. This is largely because most of those arrested have had local addresses. In Detroit, in contrast, rows have been reported between local black residents and back-packed young people dressed in black enacting their "white riot fantasies." Of course it suits both the authorities and the people they are complaining about to big the latter up in the scheme of things.
 
Sorry mate, not really following. What is correct?

How has the what situation changed, and what am I denying?

I notice from reading different media outlets background to antifa seem to know f all apart from what some know nothing has written.

As you know there are two bits to what being called antifa.
The anti fascist movement has been a loose coalition of people with the intent of stopping fascism taking a foothold, when we say fascist we mean real fascists aka hitler, mussolini, stalin, moseley, franco, powel, pol pot -not people who just have right wing views. The mantra is simple, ‘no platforms for fascists’ and ‘they shall not pass’.

In the 30s it was the working class (ant fascist loose grouping) that stopped the state from forcing a march by the Mosley fascists into the east end jewish quarters.
In 1977 same again except it was the national front and british movement attempted to march into lewisham (battle of lewisham) and each weekend the same culprits at brick lane. The anti nazi league was one unbrella at the time.

There have been less need for any action since then as the fascists have been weakened. Has not stopped many from being diverted down the identity politics route calling anyone who does not agree with them a nazi even if you spent your life fighting fascism. Many like me are now antisemites and whatever the new phrase is of the week.

Now part of that loose alliance have always been the black(not skin) anarchists who liked a bit of violence but they were and are a small minority of the alliance, but you may think were were todays antifa. I saw more plain clothes undercover agents throwing stones and inciting violence than those guys.

So which of those people from all those groups above could be called antifa? Could turn into a no I am Spartacus moment.
 
Sorry, I wasn’t clear.

Antifa lurks in the dark corner of the web which is exactly where the security services operate these days.

The level of surveillance nowdays is far more than back in my day.
I would be surprised if most serious activists were not already known.

I'm not sure you understand, shotshy. Some individuals will be known to the authorities, others will not. But the point is that there is no organisation as such. There are no leaders, there is no committee, there is no structure that can be easily dismantled by taking out certain individuals.

And it's not just Antifa, anarchists are everywhere and they take all forms, shapes and sizes. Anonymous are on board too:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52879000

 
Sorry, I wasn’t clear.

Antifa lurks in the dark corner of the web which is exactly where the security services operate these days.

The level of surveillance nowdays is far more than back in my day.
I would be surprised if most serious activists were not already known.

This is nothing new. Since the 30s - Phone tapping used to be automatic if you completed a three way contact profile. Photos and surveillance taken from every demonstration and lists made. Infiltration by undercover agents and incitement.
The reason the authorities took a light hand and did not shut anything down is that if things are in the open you can control or at least see what is going on. Thats why no left or right wing media was banned.
The services in this country are much more subtle and superior to anything in the USA. In comparison they most do their job with a light touch.
Cannot say how I know all this with certainty lol.

The most successful movements have the numbers and support of the public not the violence.
 
Lot of puzzling political views on here. Not sure why?
The Internatonal Football Association for Ants does not even seem to get a mention. Call yourselves football fans!?! They have not even been in lockdown. England's Black Ants take on the Red Soldier Ants of South Africa at home tomorrow. Well worth watching.
 
This is quite a good little documentary about Antifa in America.

Some good arguments in here against Antifa tactics and in favour of non-violent protest. But there are also some examples of how Antifa tactics can be effective and greatly appreciated (see 17:00-18:30, the Reverend's comments particularly).

The American anti-fascists and anarchists are so very American! They're a little different to us European anarchists but their hearts are in the right place, that's the impression I get anyway. It's interesting and fairly balanced, give it a watch...

 
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