When a pitch changes a score?

Welshtel

Welshtel

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Watching Kane take the penalty tonight against Southampton, a replica of the Beckham penalty where the very sandy pitch gave way under his foot, I relived the anger at the officials decision not to make amends in some way.

WHY IS IT THAT AN OBVIOUS BAD PITCH CONDITION AFFECTING PLAY IN SUCH AN OBVIOUS WAY IS NOT PUT RIGHT IN SOME WAY BY THE REF? It was again obvious that the turf could not hold Kane's weight and he slipped as a result. OK I realise that the pitch could not be repaired immediately for the retake if it was given but at least the player could stamp down the pitch and retake it knowing that there was a deficiency there.
 
Welshtel - 28/12/2016 21:46

Watching Kane take the penalty tonight against Southampton, a replica of the Beckham penalty where the very sandy pitch gave way under his foot, I relived the anger at the officials decision not to make amends in some way.

WHY IS IT THAT AN OBVIOUS BAD PITCH CONDITION AFFECTING PLAY IN SUCH AN OBVIOUS WAY IS NOT PUT RIGHT IN SOME WAY BY THE REF? It was again obvious that the turf could not hold Kane's weight and he slipped as a result. OK I realise that the pitch could not be repaired immediately for the retake if it was given but at least the player could stamp down the pitch and retake it knowing that there was a deficiency there.
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That is probably the most ridiculous post I have ever read. Put the shoe on the other foot. What if it was Southampton who had the penalty and missed it, would you be on here demanding they had a retake, of course not. Deficiencies in pitches can create goals as well as stop them.
 
Mr Happy - 29/12/2016 12:15

Welshtel - 28/12/2016 21:46

Watching Kane take the penalty tonight against Southampton, a replica of the Beckham penalty where the very sandy pitch gave way under his foot, I relived the anger at the officials decision not to make amends in some way.

WHY IS IT THAT AN OBVIOUS BAD PITCH CONDITION AFFECTING PLAY IN SUCH AN OBVIOUS WAY IS NOT PUT RIGHT IN SOME WAY BY THE REF? It was again obvious that the turf could not hold Kane's weight and he slipped as a result. OK I realise that the pitch could not be repaired immediately for the retake if it was given but at least the player could stamp down the pitch and retake it knowing that there was a deficiency there.
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That is probably the most ridiculous post I have ever read. Put the shoe on the other foot. What if it was Southampton who had the penalty and missed it, would you be on here demanding they had a retake, of course not. Deficiencies in pitches can create goals as well as stop them.
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Well thanks for that you Happy person you, I DO like to think that I'm a fair minded person and that the state of the pitch which is a constant throughout applies to both teams. As you eloquently point out, if the boot was on the other foot (no pun intended) it would be equally as much of a point and as valid because a bad pitch is a bad pitch but IT IS more relevant to us when WE are on the receiving end of the the problem. AND I WOULDN'T WANT either team having the problem.

We all take what we can get, yes but wrong is wrong at any rate.
 
Sir Dick Caan - 29/12/2016 12:59

maybe they could take the play back too, if a gust of wind causes someone's hair to move outta place..
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I always thought sarcasm was the lowest form of wit, I can see I was wrong. If a guy takes a throw in wrong, the ref makes him take it again. That's good, it keeps things even and just, whoever does it. If something is wrong with a players kit, the ref stops play and has it put right, blood on the face etc, it's soon resolved. But if the ground gives way (and that's what Kane said it did and I witnessed it, watch the replay a few times and you'll see it happen) then it should be retaken after a small adjustment (stamp down the sod (no not the ref)).
 
lol..... I can actually see now why a piss-poor backwater like Wales actually voted to bite the hand that feeds them by voting Leave, when they were huge net-beneficiaries of the EU's largesse..

you do realise that pitch and weather conditions are taken account of before a match starts ??.... what you are suggesting is even beyond the realms of a joke.

 
Welshtel, shit happens in a game. To suggest a retake every time a bit of turf comes loose is ridiculous.

'Sorry ref, the turf came loose and I took a shit pen, corner or freekick can I have another go'
 
Well actually in theory this penalty should have been taken again...the ball was moving when he hit it

How terrible of the ref not to be able to see that..haha
 
Sir Dick Caan - 29/12/2016 14:18

(Ignoring the first part of the "Quote", which is not worth commenting on)

you do realise that pitch and weather conditions are taken account of before a match starts ??.... what you are suggesting is even beyond the realms of a joke.
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I just wonder IF the refs actually stood on the penalty spot to see if it would 'Sink' when stood on, ... PROBABLY NOT, if so, they ignored what they found.
And YES, I DID think it was beyond the realms of a joke. It cost us a goal!
Have a nice new year.
 
The ball moved before being struck. The turf pushed the ball up causing the misskick . Not sure what the rules are on that but a gust of wind moving the ball may have some rules.

Rugby players raise the ball up when kicking conversions. Used to be on clods of earth. It's effectively what happened to Kane.

It could be worth inspecting around penalty spots in future before kicking. If it's unsuitable notify the ref. Actually Kane could have turned his ankle and been out for 8 weeks. The pitch was not fit for purpose.
 
A poster with some sense, Well spoken sir! I'm sure there would be something in the rules about the problem and I definitely think the penalty spots should be checked out before every game, especially when a game can depend on it. The opposition team could have depended on it being in good condition if the situation were reversed at a crucial point in the game.

I see no reason why groundsmen couldn't have a metre square or so of astra turf on a large board that could be fitted in emergency to temporarily repair a pitch.

 
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