Whelan v The Kick it Out Campaign

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In short Whelan has my vote. I am totally sick and tired of the left wing Liberal, politically correct nutters trying to take over football. The bloke is nearly 78 and simply says what he thinks, without any intention of upsetting anyone. Yes, he said Jewish people tend to be a bit careful with their money, but if he said that about the Scotts (as they are) it would have been overlooked. Yes, he used the word "Chinky", but don't we all, and nobody means anything bad by it.

I just hate the way society is going, and all the over sensitive wankers that are ruining our culture. Stick and stones etc etc etc

Rant Over
 
Totally disagree - think all the racial references has its day and now we must abide what is expected in the real world and let let the football world embrace it. Do you honestly think that Whelan uses those terms in his workplace as he was earning those millions? And why would he employ someone who is being investigated ? Are there no advisers around Wigan anymore ? I wonder how he referred to Martinez and Rosler - I'm sure he didn't refer to their racial profile .... the old man routine is getting a bit thin - these terms were frowned upon since 1980s - some 30 years back when Whelan was not so old !!!
 
Firstly, anyone and everyone (like it or not) is innocent until proved guilty, it's the fundamental tenet that our judicial system and all subsequently off-shots are founded on.

Being 'investigated' should not be a bar to being employed; if and when anyone is found guilty, you can then use your judgement to decide that the degree of punishment is so serious that you then prefer not to be associated with that individually, and you might just as easy decide that the punishment is so light that it truly reflects the nature of the 'crime'.

Using nicknames/short name or if you prefer derogatory terms to describe other nationals/culture or races maybe xenophobic, but it's not necessary Racist.

There is a clear distinction to be made and understood and if others cannot or will not see the distinction then that's their prerogative.

Should anyone use these terms in private in a one to one conversation at their choosing should be between those two consenting adults, it only crosses the like when you're using them in public - that's the immediate distinction I can see between Whelan and the new manager he's appointed.

As for when it was acceptable to use these labels, you should watch 'it was alright in the '70's' where you can see and hear the use of stereotypes and labels the likes of which you can't quite understand...

As of today, sensitivities are much higher that they've ever been and with that it mind I'm inclined to say that a simple conversation with Whelan and if you like a bit of sensitivity to his age and upbringing might go a very long way.

All I can say is if you travel around Europe you'll be stunned at how terms like this are used as part and parcel of everyday language from just about every race, colour and creed you can think of - but we've progressed, but that doesn't mean everyone has progressed equally.
 
To he honest, what he said isn't far off the mark. People have sexist, racist, homophobic banter or joke about stereotypes within their circles of friends all the time without it meaning they are any of these things.

Is Whelan a racist? Almost definitely not! People just seem to love dragging people through the coals for the sake of it these days.
 
'' People just seem to love dragging people through the coals for the sake of it these days. ''

Seems that way sometimes to me too Dave.
 
Dave the Yid - 25/11/2014 08:51

To he honest, what he said isn't far off the mark. People have sexist, racist, homophobic banter or joke about stereotypes within their circles of friends all the time without it meaning they are any of these things.

Is Whelan a racist? Almost definitely not! People just seem to love dragging people through the coals for the sake of it these days.

Everyone has an agenda Dave and some will jump on comments like these as manna from heaven...
 
too much black and white in this world (currently feminism struggling to find it's feet). But let's face it - Whelan probably doesn't have a bad bone in his body and would treat anyone the same. a slap on the wrist is all that's needed, not any real claims that he is perpetuating racism. kick it out are doing great work and sometimes they need to know when someone simply needs some positive reinforcement, rather than going on the offensive, which should be reserved for banana waving idiot fans.

the world is changing and we can't live like back in the 70's. But people are too quick to assume in this day and age. I would tolerate an oldie like Whelan coming out with it far more than someone my age - that would be more worrying.
 
I think the emails and such has been admitted ... a lot of terms is used worldwide in banter and such however not in UK as something's are allowed in UK are not allowed else where - we have to follow law of the land - don't we ? Those terms used are racial not xenophobia surely - Jewish people and Chinese (i assume that term refers to them) could be British as well. It is a protocol not to hire anyone who is being investigated - why get yourself in the mire/aftermath ? seems a bit naive on the part of those who are around him and advising him.
 
Highgatespur - 25/11/2014 09:10

I think the emails and such has been admitted ... a lot of terms is used worldwide in banter and such however not in UK as something's are allowed in UK are not allowed else where - we have to follow law of the land - don't we ? Those terms used are racial not xenophobia surely - Jewish people and Chinese (i assume that term refers to them) could be British as well. It is a protocol not to hire anyone who is being investigated - why get yourself in the mire/aftermath ? seems a bit naive on the part of those who are around him and advising him.

as I understand it, it wasn't emails, but short texts between the then Cardiff manager and a member of his staff and at a time where he was now in open conflict with his owner and who was openly questioning the pedigree and expertise of British managers....so I largely expect that these private text message between each other should be properly viewed in that context - unless of course we want to employ the thought police?

Most of the texts sound like xenophobia not overtly racist - but I guess people can read them as best fits their agenda's/outlook.

I know of NO protocol that prevents any employer from employing anyone just because they are under investigation - of course the employer may well have to consider what the consequences might be if the are eventually found guilty or not - and I suspect Whelan did that and acted according to what he believed were the best interests of his club, and why shouldn't he?

 
would like to know how you define xenophobia ? And what else is expected from a pressure group ? There you go, Whelan took the risk and the comeuppance is this.... why do you think Mackay wasn't considered for other jobs ?
 
Highgatespur - 25/11/2014 10:05

would like to know how you define xenophobia ? And what else is expected from a pressure group ? There you go, Whelan took the risk and the comeuppance is this.... why do you think Mackay wasn't considered for other jobs ?

As I said, people have their own agenda's and will see what they want to see.

As I also said, Whelan has done what he thought was right for his club.

Who knows if Mackay wasn't considered for other jobs?

Mackay was being shockingly treated in public by his owner, he was literally being humiliated in front of their own fans (hence why the fans were turning so aggressive against the owner)....so he reacted to it - IN PRIVATE.

Shit happens, perhaps Whelan with his experiences of life and at his age knew that.
 
Wow. I read this a while ago and laughed, thinking 'no one will reply to that obvious trolling...'. I guess I was wrong.
 
ahx00 - 26/11/2014 06:31

Wow. I read this a while ago and laughed, thinking 'no one will reply to that obvious trolling...'. I guess I was wrong.

Sad but true mate. Can't help themselves too much fun for em.
 
Littlest Hobo - 26/11/2014 12:58

Anyone remember the 'Only Jews & Pussies' banner. Have a look back at how offended some of us were........

Your wasting your time my freind some belong in the Jurassic period and are determined to drag us back to simpler times, when you could say what you liked no matter who it hurt. "Stick and stones innit"
 
You get me wrong Spurdon. I actually thought that banner was funny and although slightly offensive (How many banners about the opposition are designed to be anything else), it didn't deserve a fraction of the resulting complaints it received.

We are getting slightly to easily offended in day to day life. We use any difference, not as a way of secluding people, but rather as a way of attacking anyone who dares to point out these differences. We at spurs should be acutely aware of this in that we turned this into a celebration of our part of our fanbase being jewish. We then got attacked from outside because we celebrated our own glaringly obvious difference.

Anyhow, I have the tact and diplomacy of a brick wall so best I leave this subject to those who wont dig a 6ft hole for themselves
 
ahx00 - 26/11/2014 06:31

Wow. I read this a while ago and laughed, thinking 'no one will reply to that obvious trolling...'. I guess I was wrong.

This is the first time I've read this thread, and I'm genuinley shocked.

And no, stay positive, we don't all use the word "chinky."