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Barbara Kay: The West’s willful blindness to the threat of Islamist terrorism knows no bounds

Barbara Kay | June 12, 2017 5:57 PM ET


In January 2016, a 24-year-old woman in Mannheim, Germany was reportedly raped by three migrants. At first, she identified them to police as German nationals, later explaining her lie as reluctance to “help fuel aggressive racism.” Then, astonishingly, she wrote a letter of apology to her attackers in which she blamed her society for their crime, saying “I wanted an open Europe, a friendly one … You, you aren’t safe here, because we live in a racist society. … You are not the problem. You are not a problem at all.”

British political commentator Douglas Murray recounts this anecdote in his brilliant new book, The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam. The victim, seemingly beset by a reflexive, socially entrenched fear of appearing Islamophobic, was willing to sacrifice justice to virtue-signalling. Such conduct is a microcosmic example of the bottomless white guilt that is crippling Europe.

Canada hasn’t experienced the same migrant-related stressors as Europe, but that victim’s spasmodic recoil from perceived Islamophobia looks awfully familiar. Case in point: a fascinatingly logic-tortured June 9 Toronto Star column devoted to Islamism exculpation, entitled “Terrorists are misogynists first.” In the piece, pundit Heather Mallick informs us that “religion isn’t terribly relevant” in recent European attacks. No, the real problem is male misogyny. Mallick knows this because “It is my job to see patterns in events. And we women see different patterns than men do.” (Sigh. Mallick never speaks for me. I wish she’d drop that “we women” shtick.)

In a recent column, Heather Mallick informs us that “religion isn’t terribly relevant” in recent European attacks. No, the real problem is male misogyny
What is the “pattern in events” that Mallick sees? That all the killers are young males, with a narrow “world view” who suffer from “status anxiety.” The wanton spilling of blood is simply the way they “display maleness.” This is a simplistic theory cut from whole cloth. It completely ignores the role of ideology in terrorism, and the fact that millions of men have status anxiety but do not resort to terrorism to express it.

From the assertion that misogyny is universal, Mallick irrationally leaps to the conclusion that terrorism knows no particular race or culture. Look, she says, at “the hateful men we have come to know”: here, she lists four Islamist terrorists and five North American, non-Muslim massacrists (only two of whom were motivated by misogyny), implying a general numerical equivalence. But her non-Muslim, North American massacrists were not associated with organized terror movements or with a specific ideology. And her non-Muslim, North American massacrists and their victims are statistically nugatory beside the vast human wreckage that has occurred as a result of individuals carrying out radical Islamists’ apocalyptic vision.


In a further attempt at moral equivalence, Mallick writes, “It’s of no interest to us whether we’re attacked by a men’s rights advocate, the ‘alt-right,’ a Muslim terrorist or an Irish one.” But these are shamelessly misleading comparisons. IRA terrorism is not animated by gender bias, and was territorially and temporally constrained by political ends attainable through negotiation. Islamist terrorism is global and not open to negotiation. “Men’s rights advocate?” A dreadful slur on a civilized movement. To my knowledge, no massacrist has ever cited encouragement to violence from any men’s rights association.

What’s Mallick’s solution? First, she thinks we ought “to discard Muslim or Islamic as an adjective.” (Obama and many other politicians have tried that, Heather. It didn’t work.)
What’s Mallick’s solution? First, she thinks we ought “to discard Muslim or Islamic as an adjective.” (Obama and many other politicians have tried that, Heather. It didn’t work.) Because “why single out Islam,” when “the misogyny of the Roman Catholic church is one of its pillars.” Even if that were true (which I don’t think it is), where is the organized terrorism — or any terror — perpetrated in Christ’s name that Mallick’s reckless equivalency implies?

The column is a sad read, but emblematic of the desperation progressives feel when objective evidence contradicts their beloved multicultural theories, and the intellectual corruption to which they fall victim in their stubborn refusal to acknowledge reality. Mallick’s jejune finale only plunges deeper into polemic bathos: “Let’s tackle misogyny at its source and find a way to raise boys to be more like the studious, gentle girls many of them have been told to despise.” “Let’s”, as in “let us”? As in Canada? Been there, done that, Heather. Any other brilliant suggestions for ending Islam— er, I mean, status-anxiety driven terrorism?

All that’s missing in Mallick’s column is a sincere letter of apology to ISIL for the bad rap they are getting from people less enlightened than her. Regrettably, many Canadians think as Mallick does, or think they should. They need to read Murray’s book and get woke.

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Nick Real Deal - 19/6/2017 22:10

Was Finsbury terrorism ?

Obviously it was.

How was this man radicalized? Wasn't on any terror register (there is roughly a 70/30 Islam extremist / far right extremist split being reported to the Prevent program).

It's what I have been taking about ever since this thread was created. Terrorists can come from anywhere - Syria, Manchester, a father of 4 from Cardiff. I have no doubt this terrorist saw what happened in London and Manchester, allowed rags like The Sun and Daily Mail to wind him up regarding Muslims and let rip. Looking at interviews other than his family members, the days leading to to Finsbury he was seen mouthing off to his Asian neighbours and getting kicked out of the local for mouthing off about Muslims.

Was he radicalized? If so, how so?

 
Spurfect11 - 20/6/2017 07:59

Nick Real Deal - 19/6/2017 22:10

Was Finsbury terrorism ?

Obviously it was.

How was this man radicalized? Wasn't on any terror register (there is roughly a 70/30 Islam extremist / far right extremist split being reported to the Prevent program).

It's what I have been taking about ever since this thread was created. Terrorists can come from anywhere - Syria, Manchester, a father of 4 from Cardiff. I have no doubt this terrorist saw what happened in London and Manchester, allowed rags like The Sun and Daily Mail to wind him up regarding Muslims and let rip. Looking at interviews other than his family members, the days leading to to Finsbury he was seen mouthing off to his Asian neighbours and getting kicked out of the local for mouthing off about Muslims.

Was he radicalized? If so, how so?

It is now clear that he was deranged and had serious mental health problems.

It doesn't surprise me that someone with that type of ill-health fixated on an issue that then became the focus of his anger and his instability, so in purely simplistic 'was he compos mentis' at the time he conducted the act?

The answer is quiet obviously a resounding 'no' - that being the case, I'd bet a penny to a pound that his defence barrister will have him properly and professionally assessed and have him declared as mentally unstable and not in control at the time he perpetrated this horrible act by way of temporary insanity.

To that extent and in the eyes of the law, it isn't a premeditated, pre-planned terrorist act (as in the same vein as those conducted by Islamic terrorists already here) it was, to use an old-fashioned parlance an isolated act of a nutter.

You can blame any paper or any media you like, (we have all seen what the home-grown Islamic terrorists have done here) - there have been two reactions amongst people I know by way of response to these continuous acts of Islamic barbarism: - one group effectively wants every radicalised Muslim to fcuk off and go live wherever they want to that suits their warped view of the World and where they think they can fit in - the other still think that we can somehow deradicalise the thousands that are here and still under active monitoring and investigation. I think it's far too late for that.

Personally, I now know that we have a problem beyond our control and that this cycle of murderous Islamic terror will continue for generations - unless the wider Muslim Community does more to root out those who espouse a version of Islam that is clearly a murderous, disgusting warping of what most Muslims will tell you is a religion that is now gravely misunderstood.

So yes, he was radicalised by dent of the previous acts conducted by our home grown Jihadists - but it seems only because he was already mentally unstable.

Of course more acts such as these who believe that we have to 'hit back' may well repeat itself; there are enough right-wing angry working class men around to believe that we too must prepare for what might well amount to a continuing murderous campaign and are preparing themselves to do just that of course we have to hope that the police and the intelligence services can stop them before they do, but we should be under no doubt that long trips to former trouble spots in Europe for weapons and arms training as adventure 'holidays' can only be aimed at one outcome.

Let's all hope they come to their senses before that happens.
 
For me there are similarities with terrorism in that he was deranged and dis-affected. He probably didn't care much about his existence and the consequences of his actions.
It will come out whether or not he was radicalized by another source other than his own anger.


 
Mental health problems?! That has not been confirmed via police reports or otherwise. Pure speculation by the bias British Press.

Having a short fuse after getting bladdered down the local does not equal mental health problems. I hear far worse down some of the locals round here. This guy just decided to act.

The misplaced anger, stupitidty and hatred was no different from that of an ISIS bomber. Plain an simple.
 
Spurfect11 - 20/6/2017 09:26

Mental health problems?! That has not been confirmed via police reports or otherwise. Pure speculation by the bias British Press.

Having a short fuse after getting bladdered down the local does not equal mental health problems. I hear far worse down some of the locals round here. This guy just decided to act.

The misplaced anger, stupitidty and hatred was no different from that of an ISIS bomber. Plain an simple.

Spurfect, read the Telegraph, The Guardian or the Times, even the BBC all report that he has serious mental health problems, as I said, await what happens, his defence will unquestionably be one of temporary insanity...

If you can't see the difference, then you need to understand the distinction by law..

Terrorism is premeditated :The Terrorism Act 2000 involves the use or threat of action to influence government or intimidate the public, and when this is done to advance a political, religious or ideological cause.

His attack is none of the above, it was the act of a mentally unstable seriously stupid man, who may well be a drunk as well, who seemingly convinced himself that he was 'doing his part' to hit back at the Islamic community - he clearly couldn't (or wouldn't) see the distinction between peaceful worshippers and murderous Islamic terrorists, and as these acts repeat unfortunately I suspect more and more will fall into that trap.
 
I don't think Theresa Mays comment of enough is enough was particularly helpful. It could give the wrong message to those prone to retaliate.

She also said after this tragedy that there is nowhere for these attackers to hide. I think there is if they come from retaliation inspired nutters. They are amongst us religious or not. Muslim or not. If they are Muslim and radicalized even on suspect lists we do not have the resources to watch them.

That's 2 inflammatory statements . Nowhere to hide just fuels the fire to both factions.
 
Any truth to this? Is this there goal?

AN ISLAM expert has warned of a civil war across Europe as more young Muslims are being increasingly radicalised.

Professor Gilles Kepel, from the Sciences Po in Paris, claims a growing number of Muslims with poor job prospects are forming a “Jihad Generation” to continue to commit acts of terror across Europe.

According to German newspaper Die Welt, Kepel said the terror group’s aim is to incite hatred towards Muslims from the rest of the society which would eventually radicalise others to the point that Europe could enter into full-blown civil war.

Kepel, who is a specialist on Islamic and contemporary Arab world, added these ISIS fanatics not only want to destroy Europe, but to eliminate more moderate Islamic opposition.

“The terrorism is above all an expression of a war within Islam,” he explained. “The long-term goal of the Jihad Generation is to destroy Europe through civil war and then build an Islamic society from the ashes.

He believes their strategy is similar to the expansion of Islamic State in Syria, Iraq, and Libya where the terrorist organisation was able to use the chaos of civil war to slowly build its forces, grow in power, and rapidly seize territory.

 
Taricco the yid - 20/6/2017 13:25

Any truth to this? Is this there goal?

AN ISLAM expert has warned of a civil war across Europe as more young Muslims are being increasingly radicalised.

Professor Gilles Kepel, from the Sciences Po in Paris, claims a growing number of Muslims with poor job prospects are forming a “Jihad Generation” to continue to commit acts of terror across Europe.

According to German newspaper Die Welt, Kepel said the terror group’s aim is to incite hatred towards Muslims from the rest of the society which would eventually radicalise others to the point that Europe could enter into full-blown civil war.

Kepel, who is a specialist on Islamic and contemporary Arab world, added these ISIS fanatics not only want to destroy Europe, but to eliminate more moderate Islamic opposition.

“The terrorism is above all an expression of a war within Islam,” he explained. “The long-term goal of the Jihad Generation is to destroy Europe through civil war and then build an Islamic society from the ashes.

He believes their strategy is similar to the expansion of Islamic State in Syria, Iraq, and Libya where the terrorist organisation was able to use the chaos of civil war to slowly build its forces, grow in power, and rapidly seize territory.

Of course it's plausible. Their comms network is well established and they work by using the guise of civil liberties of the West as their shield..




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The last two people this chump had followed on twitter was the two last leaders of Britain First. His murder spree was a result of an ideology. nothing more. even if he was a bit tapped, there are plenty people with mental health issues that do not do this. he is a right wing terrorist.

also the son of the Van Hire owner has said he only wished they let out tanks too. has been arrested. what a scum bag. bet his father won't be too impressed either.
 
It's out of control now. The disaffected on both sides are incited. And there aren't any leaders on the horizon that can stop this.
 
80deg16minW - 21/6/2017 11:48

It's out of control now. The disaffected on both sides are incited. And there aren't any leaders on the horizon that can stop this.

There is a sense of inevitability about all this; we have had an influx of migrants with little preparation for life in the West and that have largely refused or been unable to adopt our values or our culture and therefore have found their off-spring increasingly isolated from the mainstream of our civil society and have withdrawn to their culturally closed circles for education, marriage, religious adherence, social comfort, moral guidance and increasingly for security. This level of non-integration is a phenomenon that we've never had to encounter on this scale.

Few seemingly have shown that they can easily span the chasm that divides us; one of the great social barrier breaker in the West is sharing food and drinking together, drink now divides us, food occasionally units us. Their and our intolerance is as impenetrable at times as the Iron curtain.


Our only hope is that our Muslim community realises that there is no future in splendid isolation and shows that they can be both flexible and tolerant of others - which seems to me the one big positive that is emerging from this multi-cultural disaster.

We have to do the same, as the original hosts we have to finally put the nail in the coffin of multi-culturalism, bury it and ensure that the whole community learns and respects the civil liberties our society freely gives to all....at least for now.
 
Spurfect11 - 21/6/2017 11:17

The last two people this chump had followed on twitter was the two last leaders of Britain First. His murder spree was a result of an ideology. nothing more. even if he was a bit tapped, there are plenty people with mental health issues that do not do this. he is a right wing terrorist.

also the son of the Van Hire owner has said he only wished they let out tanks too. has been arrested. what a scum bag. bet his father won't be too impressed either.


As I said, he was more than a 'bit tapped'...(interesting phrase!)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/21/finsbury-park-attack-suspect-darren-osborne-has-mental-health-issues-sister-says
 
Nick Real Deal - 21/6/2017 17:37

He was like Muslim radicals in that he is a nutter , disaffected, a loser and with nothing to live for.

I think it's a mistake to think that islamic jihadists are 'nutters', if anything they have an absolute clarity of mind and purpose and are clearly single minded and highly motivated., they aren't the attributes of someone with mental health issues.
 
I don't think "nutter" implies mental health issues. we are getting into semantics now which I regret, but if someone wants to murder a random person for a clear ideology then that still makes them a nutter. they have internalized, rationalized and fostered a belief that this is a worthy cause, this persons' life must be taken.

As I said, the number of people with mental health problems that don't do this kind of thing is vast. I don't see any evidence that having a mental health condition would make you want to kill muslims en masse. It's ideology pure and simple. Was Anders Brevik suffering from mental health issues? probably yes - some high functioning narcissicm, but the tool that allowed him to do what he did was an ideology. same with Thomas Mair, same with Darren Osbourne.

Thomas Mair was found to be in posession of various Nazi propagandha and attended various Britain First events. Darren Osbourn's last two accounts he followed on twitter were Paul Goldman from Britain First and the now current leader of Britian First (whom I can't be arsed to find out her name).

Honestly, I hear some very concerning things when watching footie down the local after events such as the recent terror attacks.