what if we fail to go up this coming season

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wal

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if we fail to get to the prem this coming season will we be in the same boat as we are now and have to sell again
 
do we sell as many of the currant first team as we can now and play the kids and keep any money we do have in the kitty and see where we are in jan and see where we need to improve
SB wont have the same pressure next season as he had last season so i say we play the u23s or as many of them as we can and let them grow and learn as a team even if we are in the chamionship for a few yeas
 
wal said:
if we fail to get to the prem this coming season will we be in the same boat as we are now and have to sell again
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A very, very good point.

The idea that the club ends up with financial problems which apparently can only be solved by selling one particular player is crazy, extreme incompetence. What happens if that player suddenly gets a medium or long term injury?

Then, as raised by the OP, what happens next time around if you've already sold that player? What happens when all your sellable players have gone?
 
To be honest WAL, even considering us as a bet for promotion this coming season is a joke.
I think the best we can hope for is mid-table survival and mediocrity, probably for a few years.
The only way to go up this season and have any hope of staying up, is to spend and spend big, not just on fees but, on wages too. We've been down that road too many times unsuccessfully in the last half century. The only time we've had success, is when we had a playing plan and picked up other teams rejects for peanuts, rejects who could adapt and play to the plan. This is what we should be doing now but, just like then this will take the best part of a decade.
 
Given who is likely to go this summer and who will remain, it would take a monumental miracle for us to get promotion. I would currently predict somewhere between 16th and 20th.

Next summer we will lose more high earners such as Jedinak, Whelan, Richards and a few others but finances will still be very tight. We will probably be looking around for Championship and League 1 Bosmans and a few loans.

Although we have a few promising youngsters, if most of the team come from our under 23's then I only see relegation. It is a huge step up to Championship football, not just in quality but in physicality and the number of games. Very few of our Next Gen winners have made any impact at this level, and you only have to look at how Premier League under 21's struggled against League 1 and 2 teams in the Checkatrade trophy to see the difficulties.

Davis is one who has the physical attributes but he doesn't look like scoring regularly. RHM and Green have the talent but can they stay fit? Suliman looks classy but needs to bulk up and couldn't get in the Grimsby team.

Now is when we need our scouts to pull their fingers out. There are bargains out there if we look hard enough. I hope we can find a few asap!
 
Ricardomeister2 said:
Given who is likely to go this summer and who will remain, it would take a monumental miracle for us to get promotion. I would currently predict somewhere between 16th and 20th.

Next summer we will lose more high earners such as Jedinak, Whelan, Richards and a few others but finances will still be very tight. We will probably be looking around for Championship and League 1 Bosmans and a few loans.

Although we have a few promising youngsters, if most of the team come from our under 23's then I only see relegation. It is a huge step up to Championship football, not just in quality but in physicality and the number of games. Very few of our Next Gen winners have made any impact at this level, and you only have to look at how Premier League under 21's struggled against League 1 and 2 teams in the Checkatrade trophy to see the difficulties.

Davis is one who has the physical attributes but he doesn't look like scoring regularly. RHM and Green have the talent but can they stay fit? Suliman looks classy but needs to bulk up and couldn't get in the Grimsby team.

Now is when we need our scouts to pull their fingers out. There are bargains out there if we look hard enough. I hope we can find a few asap!
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The trouble is Ricardo, we can't afford to employ freebies never mind 'bargains'.
 
The problem underlying all this is not just ffp hole.I do not believe the guy has the resources to keep the club running on a day to day basis even if we cover the ffp hole, I suspect we will be selling players to cover day to day running costs and money owed to other clubs. We might get away with this short term possibly if enough are sold for a season but eventually when all the resources have been stripped the excrement will hit the fan.
 
To get back on topic ,unless our youngsters turn out to be world beaters
I see us in a relegation dogfight possibly finishing just out of it.
 
Lose Jack and Kodjia and I can still see us being at least a mid-table team; the first half of last season wasn't bad, if not stellar, without them. Any more and we could be in deep trouble.
 
McParlandTheGreat said:
Lose Jack and Kodjia and I can still see us being at least a mid-table team; the first half of last season wasn't bad, if not stellar, without them. Any more and we could be in deep trouble.
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Yes it wasn't bad without them but we had Terry, Snoddy and Johnstone at that point.
 
Merlin128777 said:
To get back on topic ,unless our youngsters turn out to be world beaters
I see us in a relegation dogfight possibly finishing just out of it.
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If any turn out to be real quality then they will be sold on, we are a feeder club, have been for a long time, we used to feed Liverpool, Man Utd etc, now we will feed lower half of premier league also. :sick:
 
Merlin128777 said:
To get back on topic ,unless our youngsters turn out to be world beaters
I see us in a relegation dogfight possibly finishing just out of it.
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Suddenly finding our youngsters to be season long EFL ready players is fantasy. Saying that they will step up or are ready is clearly wrong. No one can say with any certainty they will be ok as none of them have played anywhere near enough games if any at this level. EFL is massively an step up from u23. The random results that happen with teams constantly overturning the form books and beating each other prove that.

I 100 percent believe we are in relegation fight next season. It's not being negative it's just me looking at the facts that present themselves to me.

1- losing our best players from last season already.
2- losing our best players in the transfer window before season starts.
3- Financial meltdown from the moment the final whistle sounded at Wembley and financial uncertainty for months and no sign of it ending
4- No money to spend on new players
5- Having to rely on unproven youngsters. Not just one or two either.
6- Experienced manager saying we are in the cack and is likely to through in the towel any minute.
7- Owner who is saying we are in the cack.
8- Boardroom level meltdown with key roles having left the club under unclear circumstances which point to conflict at that level.
9- lnept owner who clearly has no clue what he is doing.
10- Money going out on waster players who have not contributed to the club in months and in some cases years .
11- Club on precipice of starting the season 12 points behind or having to make up 12 points at some point in the season.

I could go on.

And I shouldn't think we are in anything but in a relegation fight?
 
If the losses were restricted to Jack and Kodja, we could still be competitive, its the other loanees on top of those two, (particularly Snoddy who really gave us a lift) that we be hard to recover from. Losing Jack will be massive but inevitable after yesterday's comments. SB will have to really pull in some favours to plug the gaps.
 
Many of us are looking forward to the youngsters playing my worry is if they are on the receiving end of a few bad beatings it could cause serious damage to their confidence,it affects the old pros confidence never mind the youngsters. I am sure a lot of fans wont give them a hard time but even if boos & jeers are directed at the chairman those lads will suffer. So yes I look forward to seeing some of youngsters play but I have not forgotten how Saunders fed in the youngsters one at a time till they found their feet then when he felt they were ready played them all. Do not think Bruce has that luxury.
 
Platt-itudes said:
If any turn out to be real quality then they will be sold on, we are a feeder club, have been for a long time, we used to feed Liverpool, Man Utd etc, now we will feed lower half of premier league also. :sick:
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Until we have a set good enough to achieve promotion. That's the reality for all Championship clubs and as much as it galls me to say so, despite our heritage and facilities, we are just another Championship club. And one deep in the shit at that.

As mentioned, any thoughts of promotion may take years.
 
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Melon Donkey said:
Suddenly finding our youngsters to be season long EFL ready players is fantasy. Saying that they will step up or are ready is clearly wrong. No one can say with any certainty they will be ok as none of them have played anywhere near enough games if any at this level. EFL is massively an step up from u23. The random results that happen with teams constantly overturning the form books and beating each other prove that.

I 100 percent believe we are in relegation fight next season. It's not being negative it's just me looking at the facts that present themselves to me.

1- losing our best players from last season already.
2- losing our best players in the transfer window before season starts.
3- Financial meltdown from the moment the final whistle sounded at Wembley and financial uncertainty for months and no sign of it ending
4- No money to spend on new players
5- Having to rely on unproven youngsters. Not just one or two either.
6- Experienced manager saying we are in the cack and is likely to through in the towel any minute.
7- Owner who is saying we are in the cack.
8- Boardroom level meltdown with key roles having left the club under unclear circumstances which point to conflict at that level.
9- lnept owner who clearly has no clue what he is doing.
10- Money going out on waster players who have not contributed to the club in months and in some cases years .
11- Club on precipice of starting the season 12 points behind or having to make up 12 points at some point in the season.

I could go on.

And I shouldn't think we are in anything but in a relegation fight?
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Think you're over-stating it. At this stage we don't know who's going,so we can't tell how strong our squad will be. But to take your points in order:
1- losing Terry, Snoddy and Johnstone. Yep they did well for us, but they weren't perfect. Terry was too slow on occasions, Snoddy a bit of a one-trick pony, Johnstone still has gaps in his game. Replacing them with say Elphick, Green and Steer is weakening things a bit, but not a disaster.
2- I hate losing Jack and say Kodjia, we'll be weakened, but again not a disaster. Lose Chester though and I think we are in a bad place.
3- Financially we'll either survive or we won't. Survive and I don't think it directly affects the season.
4- No signings? Good, we've a load of players who need using.
5- Relying on youngsters? If they're mostly on the bench we'll be fine; last season they rarely got near that.
6- Wot Bruce has said? He hasn't said we're giving up.
7- Xia? What matters is the squad we have, not what Xia's problems are (unless his finances implode).
8- Boardroom meltdown? Not really. Wyness has gone, that's it.
9- Inept owner? Maybe, but it's what Bruce does which will define our season.
10- Money on waster players? Historical, and we've shifted most.
11- Club facing 12 points deduction? Only if we go into administration; we're not there yet.

Massive cause for concern. But nowhere near relegation certainty. At the moment.
 
Agree with melon we are a club in complete meltdown and clubs like that normally end up in relegation. At the very best it is hardly the conditions to launch a successful promotion season.

Bruce should have been using the youngsters more last season. Now we have to rely on them and they won’t be ready.
 
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