What are we going to get dinged with?

[CanadaRed]

Just for shits and giggles.

 

[Polly 433]

How about 4 points with 2 suspended if we don’t go to appeal?

 

[Marco Polo]

I don’t think we’re going to get anything - where’s the option for that?

We’ve got Nick De Marco, the man is a living legend

 

[chandos9]

I am going for 3 suspended. Everton's six sets the parameters. It was for a bigger breach, and concealed, plus there was plainly some communication between Forest and the Premier League about the Johnson sale which even if not entirely legitimate to rely upon as an excuse is relevant to the mitigation.

 

[Pope John XXIII]

The sensible thing for all concerned is suspended.

I fear it will be six

 

[ZedRed]

6 is probably the most the PL could potentially argue within the bounds of any rational thought and reason, so we will get 6.

 

[Basha73]

We won’t get 6. Too much chance of it blowing up in the PL’s face when we inevitably appeal. It won’t be more than 3 points and I am still of the belief that it will be suspended.

 

[Pope John XXIII]

We won’t get 6. Too much chance of it blowing up in the PL’s face when we inevitably appeal. It won’t be more than 3 points and I am still of the belief that it will be suspended.

There is no appeal. Not really.

Because it's after the season and would change the end result of the table, the failure of any appeal is a fair accompli

 

[Polly 433]

There is no appeal. Not really.

Because it's after the season and would change the end result of the table, the failure of any appeal is a fair accompli

Any points penalty unless very small is worth appealing against. It may mean the difference between staying up or going down. If penalty makes no difference by end of season they can always withdraw the appeal. Even if the appeal failed I can see one of the clubs taking it to court under unfair competition. The potential for the PL getting tied up in knots for years is huge. Thus suspended takes appeal out of scenario.

 

[BlackGold]

There is no appeal. Not really.

Because it's after the season and would change the end result of the table, the failure of any appeal is a fair accompli

You're really struggling with the nature of POINTS deductions, aren't you?

 

[Basha73]

There is no appeal. Not really.

Because it's after the season and would change the end result of the table, the failure of any appeal is a fair accompli

The latest the appeal decision can be announced is a week after season’s end and would affect the league. That was made clear when the timescales were set unless something has changed…?

Any points penalty unless very small is worth appealing against. It may mean the difference between staying up or going down. If penalty makes no difference by end of season they can always withdraw the appeal. Even if the appeal failed I can see one of the clubs taking it to court under unfair competition. The potential for the PL getting tied up in knots for years is huge. Thus suspended takes appeal out of scenario.

The interesting question is how far could, say Luton, push against the decision if whatever decision is made is too low to affect league standings. Would they accept the decision? Could they challenge it if not…?

 

[finbar70]

If its 6 we should refuse to play v Luton, or anyone else until they retract. That would put the cat amongst the pigeons and be absolutely hilarious to watch.

I think 3 points, and we should appeal it. I don't want to know the verdict until after the Luton game though, so not to provide them with an added motivation. A Sunday announcement is fine

 

[BlackGold]

The latest the appeal decision can be announced is a week after season’s end and would affect the league. That was made clear when the timescales were set unless something has changed…?

The interesting question is how far could, say Luton, push against the decision if whatever decision is made is too low to affect league standings. Would they accept the decision? Could they challenge it if not…?

They havent challenged Everton's, so either they've chosen not to follow this path, or the rules do not permit them doing so.

 

[Basha73]

They havent challened Everton's, so either they've chosen not to follow this path, or the rules do not permit them doing so.

The Everton situation is different. The six points is for last year so arguably should have been in place last season. The decision for this season would be of interest.

Given that Leicester failed last season’ PSR they can’t really challenge it either.

 

[FeNris]

I don’t think we’re going to get anything - where’s the option for that?

We’ve got Nick De Marco, the man is a living legend

Hes no Big Sam though chap.

 

[BlackGold]

The Everton situation is different. The six points is for last year so arguably should have been in place last season. The decision for this season would be of interest.

Given that Leicester failed last season’ PSR they can’t really challenge it either.

Interesting, Everton's deduction being applied this season may well obfuscate things, slightly.

 

[Basha73]

Interesting, Everton's deduction being applied this season may well obfuscate things, slightly.

That and Leicester’s victory against the EFL do throw things. Then there is Everton’s argument about double jeopardy. If it weren’t there already it is threatening to turn into an absolute farce…

 

[ZedRed]

That and Leicester’s victory against the EFL do throw things. Then there is Everton’s argument about double jeopardy. If it weren’t there already it is threatening to turn into an absolute farce…

The Premier League is a farce and over the space of three decades, they've managed to be the steering force to turn the sport into simultaneously a global phenomenon and also a joke.

 

[TMFwanstead]

That and Leicester’s victory against the EFL do throw things. Then there is Everton’s argument about double jeopardy. If it weren’t there already it is threatening to turn into an absolute farce…

Absolutely the whole thing is a dogs dinner. There is an argument any penalty points should start at the beginning of a season. Then everyone knows where they stand. If this sort of process was in any competent business there would be heads to roll. Profit and sustainability that could relegate a team and potentially have catastrophic financial implications which is the complete opposite to what it is supposed to do

 

[Polly 433]

Don’t buy double jeopardy argument. According to Everton thinking because they have had a 6 point penalty judged on three years the next sea,son the debts over the next rolling three years defaults to zero. No one year of accounts drop out and the latest come in. It is a rolling three years. Forest will still have a championship beaded figure in their three years, as will B’muff, Fulham and any of the other recently promoted teams. It is a rolling three years, not double jeopardy.