West Ham Utd v Manchester City - 7.55pm GMT FA Cup Match Day Thread

Skoorb

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City travel to the London Stadium (nah, not my favourite name either) to take on West Ham this evening in the FA Cup in Pep Guardiola's first taste of this historic competition. In his press conference Pep seemed well aware of the nature of the competition and the opportunity it can present to pitch a small club against those from the top devisions and he appeared disappointed that he wouldn't be experiencing that feeling in his first FA Cup fixture. City's fans will be less enamoured of the thought of yet another evening kick off away from home and in this case, thanks to the BBC, one which delivers them to east London on a Friday evening with the game finishing at nearly 10pm! Had it been the rags drawn in this fixture clearly they could have most of their fans tucked up back in their beds within an hour of the final whistle :066:

City will be missing long term absentee Ilkay Gundogan as well as the mythical Fabian Delph. Vincent Kompany has resumed training again but won't feature tonight and Leroy Sané is also absent with a muscle injury. Fernandinho misses out as he is commencing his second period of suspension following his dismissal for a rash challenge against Burnley. The BBC are reporting that Fernando may be a doubt due to a knock but no other details are available at this time.

West Ham however will be able to field Sofiane Feghouli after his red card against the rags was over turned on appeal. Smal comfort to the Hammers given that Mike Dean's poor decision - aided I have no doubt by Phil Jones's theatrical rolling around - handicapped them severely during the game. Mark Noble may well return and defender John Collins may face a late fitness test. Winston Reid appears to have suffered no long term damage after Sergio 'The Brute' Aguero's attempted decapitation in the league fixture at the Etihad cost him the first of his three game suspensions so the Argentinian might expect to suffer the same level of grappling, shirt pulling and general foul play which seems to be permitted against Pep's players by the officials.

I seriously hope that tonight's referee Michael Oliver doesn't have any controversial decisions to make.

I would expect Andy Carroll to feature at some stage for the Hammers given his aerial threat - Bilic will have noted how Bravo was unable to deal with the leading arm of Sam Vokes in the Burnley game as he was fouled and prevented from reaching the cross which ultimately resulted in the goal after the rest of City's outfield players failed to clear the resulting loose ball. However there is every chance that City's League Cup penalty saving hero, Willy Caballero, may get the chance to get his gloves dirty this evening and so he may be less easily bullied. Pep tended to play string sides in the cup competitions when managing Bayern Munich and so he may well wish to consolidate Monday's hard fought victory by fielding an experienced side. Mind you after shipping out youngsters Maffeo and Angelino on loan recently, the options for 'playing the youngsters' have narrowed somewhat.

Some match facts: -

:026: West Ham have won only two of their last 15 league and cup games against Manchester City (D3, L10).

:027: The Hammers have only lost one of their previous eight FA Cup games on home turf - that defeat coming against Manchester United last season.

:027: The last time they lost a game at home in the FA Cup third round was in 2010 - a 2-1 defeat by Arsenal.

:050: City won the trophy for the fifth time when they beat Stoke in 2011. They have been runners-up on five occasions (not bad for a club with no 'history')

:021: Sergio Aguero needs one goal to become the third highest scorer in City's history. He is tied with Colin Bell on 153 goals. Only Tommy Johnson (166) and Eric Brook (178) have more.

:001: Kelechi Iheanacho has four goals and one assist in his three previous FA Cup appearances.

I will be interested to see how the BBC reports on Guardiola's demeanour - perhaps they will have a body language expert in the studio to comment on every nuance, to reflect on what it means each time he scratches his nose or maybe a linguistic expert to dissect every sentence and assign meaning to each phrase? Just as longa s Robbie the Hairdo Savage isn't anywhere near a microphone - that will be the first result of the evening :029: :074:

Are we Up For The Cup? I hope so. :043: :030: :050:

Come On City!!!
 
Will Pep take the FA Cup seriously by fielding a strong starting XI?

Michael Oliver is tonight's ref - will he make many controversial decisions?

Come on CITY!
 
The possibilities for youngsters getting a game have indeed been reduced by Maffeo and Angelino being shipped out on loan. Tosin in defence - but accompanied by which imposing centre back to add confidence to Tosin and authority to the whole back four? - possibly Otamendi, hopefully not Kolarov.

Garcia in midfield in the absence of F6 and F25 alongside the more experienced Mr Kipling?

KI72 up front - I wonder how much of a look in he will get if Gabriel Jesus hits the ground at anything approaching a gentle canter?

But a good performance and, it goes without saying a win would be nice.
 
Right. That's started me off. BBC proclaiming ominously that City only kept 2 clean sheets in our last 15 away fixtures. We won 9 and drew 2 of those games.

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I'm in the same court as kennyclementstache and expect a handful of youngsters to make some sort of appearance. Why not?
 
Johnny Baguette - 6/1/2017 14:30

Right. That's started me off. BBC proclaiming ominously that City only kept 2 clean sheets in our last 15 away fixtures. We won 9 and drew 2 of those games.

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Yep and if you look at the PL away table we're second, just a point behind Chelsea.
 
Tudor - 6/1/2017 14:48

I'm in the same court as kennyclementstache and expect a handful of youngsters to make some sort of appearance. Why not?

Pep indicated in his presser that he'll go full strength tonight.

Why not play a handful of youngsters? Because he wants to win.
 
Bluedub - 6/1/2017 15:09

Tudor - 6/1/2017 14:48

I'm in the same court as kennyclementstache and expect a handful of youngsters to make some sort of appearance. Why not?

Pep indicated in his presser that he'll go full strength tonight.

Why not play a handful of youngsters? Because he wants to win .

I guess Pellers fecked up last season against Chelsea and so its a fair point.
 
Bluedub - 6/1/2017 15:09

Tudor - 6/1/2017 14:48

I'm in the same court as kennyclementstache and expect a handful of youngsters to make some sort of appearance. Why not?

Pep indicated in his presser that he'll go full strength tonight.

Why not play a handful of youngsters? Because he wants to win.

Plus I'm not sure we have many left to step up!
 
Johnny Baguette - 6/1/2017 14:30

Right. That's started me off. BBC proclaiming ominously that City only kept 2 clean sheets in our last 15 away fixtures. We won 9 and drew 2 of those games.

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The BBC's glass as far as we are concerned is half full, as usual :017:
 
Skoorb - 6/1/2017 15:19

Bluedub - 6/1/2017 15:09

Tudor - 6/1/2017 14:48

I'm in the same court as kennyclementstache and expect a handful of youngsters to make some sort of appearance. Why not?

Pep indicated in his presser that he'll go full strength tonight.

Why not play a handful of youngsters? Because he wants to win.

Plus I'm not sure we have many left to step up!

Can't argue with your comment Skoorb :026:
 
Tudor - 6/1/2017 15:15

Bluedub - 6/1/2017 15:09

Tudor - 6/1/2017 14:48

I'm in the same court as kennyclementstache and expect a handful of youngsters to make some sort of appearance. Why not?

Pep indicated in his presser that he'll go full strength tonight.

Why not play a handful of youngsters? Because he wants to win .

I guess Pellers fecked up last season against Chelsea and so its a fair point.

I suppose you could argue he fucked up but I don't see it that way, resting his first team in that game played no small part in helping us secure our best ever CL result and could also be argued helped us secure fourth spot in the league as we weren't faced with the fixture congestion and a knackered squad that an extended run in the FA Cup can result in. Given we'd gone all the way in the League Cup I thought it was very pragmatic but then I do look at things from the bright side.
 
Sometimes my glass is half full BD while sometimes its not.

In the end, not that we knew it at the time but Pellers got it right by choosing a second string XI against Chelski and we made it to the CL semis. At the time though many of us were chomping at the bit at his decision. Perhaps something similar may occur tonight?
 
Tudor - 6/1/2017 15:30

Sometimes my glass is half full BD while sometimes its not.

In the end, not that we knew it at the time but Pellers got it right by choosing a second string XI against Chelski and we made it to the CL semis. At the time though many of us were chomping at the bit at his decision. Perhaps something similar may occur tonight?

The media were certainly chomping at the bit, the hyperbole yet again went into overdrive.

Like I said earlier T, Pep did seem to indicate in his presser that he'll go full strength however you never know. Skoorb makes a good point, there's not many there that you'd think would get the chance now with Maffeo and Angelino gone on loan. I guess Tosin and Garcia may be in the reckoning though.
 
Cameron Humphries played against Chelsea last year and I thought he did well. Can't recall him making a subsequent appearance though. Given Pep's statements about preference for as many midfielders's as possible Aleix Garcia's more frequent appearances in the squad seems logical (as far as it goes) but I think the general consensus is that Tosin Adarabioyo seems to have demonstrated real potential and yet he has hardly featured in the squad since that Chelsea FA Cup game.

My feeling was that the majority of City fans understood Pellegrini's dilemma and backed his decision. He was between a rock and a hard place. My only regret is that having secured the semi final spot in the CL that we went out with a whimper and not a bang.

It was the media that opted to go ballistic with their 'disrespect the competition' campaign ably supported by twats such as Danny 'I hate City' Mills. I can still recall Graham Le Saux mouthing off pitch side about it before the game as soon as the team sheets were revealed. I think it took him less than 10 seconds to include the word 'disrespect' into his comments.
 
Bluedub - 6/1/2017 15:09

Tudor - 6/1/2017 14:48

I'm in the same court as kennyclementstache and expect a handful of youngsters to make some sort of appearance. Why not?

Pep indicated in his presser that he'll go full strength tonight.

Why not play a handful of youngsters? Because he wants to win.

Sometimes there is the impression with paying youngsters in cup ties that it is either full strength or all youth - why not a very strong XI with maybe just Maffeo (were he available) or Garcia being the only changes. Not meaning by this the Chelsea FA Cup tie where large swathes of first teamers were given the afternoon off and at the time probably rightly so.