Well this is embarrassing
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mike_field
Vital Football Legend
If I've got my timeline right here, this is Kick It Out's new online reporting tool coming more into focus after it's launch rather than Steward/Police receiving the complaint and it's report based rather than proof/conviction. I think those figures come through next summerish normally.
Sad we're talking 300 odd across the league, but it both shows how far there is to go as well as the improvements that have been made when compared to the past. Sure I covered something like this as a network piece years back and the reporting figures had spiked to a high of 900 ish?
Let's hope where there is proof, clubs and others come down hard to send a message.
Sad we're talking 300 odd across the league, but it both shows how far there is to go as well as the improvements that have been made when compared to the past. Sure I covered something like this as a network piece years back and the reporting figures had spiked to a high of 900 ish?
Let's hope where there is proof, clubs and others come down hard to send a message.
danvilla2
I’m not an expert
We’re talking 13 incidents of Villa fans of which there are what, 200,000 of us in some form in the country? That’s 0.006% of Villa fans. If this takes into account twitter of which there are some absolute pollocks out there, I’m surprised it’s actually this low.
I’m not excusing the 13 but if you has asked me how many I thought were on this list of incidents I would’ve gone a much higher number.
I’m not excusing the 13 but if you has asked me how many I thought were on this list of incidents I would’ve gone a much higher number.
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Pangloss
Vital Football Legend
13 alleged incidents.
danvilla2
I’m not an expert
If this was Liverpool the headline would be:
The club who are successfully rooting out the most haters.
Stephen Jay Hawkings
Vital Football Legend
But no doubt we'll have to get a big talking to about how this is rife in society, and we all must educate ourselves and do better.
gmvillan
The Shackles Are Off!
Trying to pin an issue like this on individual football clubs, based off reported statistics, is to my mind, ridiculous and nothing more than sensationalism. "Let's make clubs and their supporters look bad/good with statistics - in the name of....." What Exactly?
Birmingham is one of the most diverse cities in Europe and in my experience one of the most integrated. There bad people in all walks of life, in all locations, in every profession and of every ethnic, religious and cultural background.
Birmingham is one of the most diverse cities in Europe and in my experience one of the most integrated. There bad people in all walks of life, in all locations, in every profession and of every ethnic, religious and cultural background.
Agree. Integration and togetherness isn't brought about by dividing racists, sexists and homophobics up by what club they support. Society has lots to learn on how to go about solving these kind of issues, and divisive news articles like this are certainly not going to fix anything.
gmvillan
The Shackles Are Off!
Yup. Integration and equality will never exist while people continue to separate themselves into a category. It literally does the opposite.
Villan57
Alert Team
White people also separate themselves physically from Black people as they have all fled cities like Birmingham to the towns and suburbs surrounding it.
That then gives them the moral high ground to call everyone else racists, whilst their kids go to 99% white schools and they can then patronise the 1% well off black people who can afford to live amongst them. "Oh look at me I have a black friend his Dad is a doctor "
Football is one of the few area's that racism doesn't exist like the rest of society as the proportions are at worst 50/50 Black and white. They really don't have a problem.
I watched Villa's u23 game the other night Louie Barry and Tom Heaton were the only white players on the field for Villa including the subs. Those are the future of English football. That is the future of Villa
I also used to watch players in the warm-up at Villa Park as I'm always there over an hour before ko. They still warm up in groups of separate Balck and white players but it's deeper than that it's also groups that speak different languages.
It's also quite natural to hang around with like-minded people isn't it regardless of colour.
Don't get me on the British and Indian class culture that's whole different level of isum
david-avfc
Vital Football Hero
Not a great look for the club but let’s be honest if the worst club apparently has only had 13 incidents then the data is obviously flawed. We all know on social media it’s almost a continuous stream of vile comments so if only a couple of hundred incidents have been identified then what a waste of time, but not to detract from the issue - it’s a shame the club is in this position, maybe the club needs to do more but it’s also down to individual fans to control their own behaviour
garygaryshaw
Vital Football Hero
This could also be spun that we are one of the clubs actually tackling this properly and reporting people, rather than just asking them to tone it down.
sirdennis
Alert Team
I think that maybe the case.
Pangloss
Vital Football Legend
There's 13 incidents, the article suggests they are alleged rather than proven. Assuming they are real then 13 is hardly a big number. But logic tells you that the number is much, much higher than that, and then the definition of a 'hate crime' is in itself far too vague when you actually look at how these things are investigated.
The conclusion I draw is that the league table in the article is utterly meaningless.
gmvillan
The Shackles Are Off!
Inflammatory would be another way to describe it. Just another attempt by the scum media to create division.
Hifriedelity
Vital Squad Member
Bit OTT. It's a report from the Home Office that's being reported
