We will test double jab entry..

[Nick Real Deal]

Mild headache, that rapidly got worse (felt like head was exploding), aching limbs (flu like and temp went up) then breathing difficulties (couldn't catch my breath) but I had oxygen at home - I had pre-bought and was was prepared. Went straight onto that, then pain in my upper body/back, lungs got worse very rapidly (was scary) - BP went crazy, Oxygen levels in the blood went down dramatically - was then taken into hospital and that is when they pull no punches that the next few days will decide whether next step is critical care and intubation or maybe some easing - they did give injections of drugs etc - but I'm fcuked if I know what they were now. Spent 5 days in, and took a turn for the better, they get you out asap if they think you are out of danger and then a nurse/GP rings you everyday, you report symptoms and stats: BP, Oxygen levels, Temp, and they also ask you to supply blood samples (DIY) if you have the stomach/able to (I did).

Had x-rays of lungs, MRI of kidneys and liver (both have no yet recovered full function - but are improving).

General weakness and tiredness is the big issue and mental fog now - you just have to force yourself to combat it and carry on (if possible).

Scary stuff Ex, it must have been very worrying for you. Do you expect a full recovery or are you suspecting its unrepairable damage and will be life changing in respect of a comparison to where you were ?

 

[Spursex]

Because I couldn't get an appointment.

Believe me we tried. I think I phoned my gp in Swindon then here over 50 times. Waiting hours in a que.

I have qued at the 7am in the morning to be turned away because there are no appointments.

People aren't getting cancer treatment so anyone going to the quacks for advice are not going to get anywhere.

Jesus. Did you try 111 or whatever it is?

That's shocking.

 

[Spursex]

Scary stuff Ex, it must have been very worrying for you. Do you expect a full recovery or are you suspecting its unrepairable damage and will be life changing in respect of a comparison to where you were ?

I always hope for the best and the specialist(s) that they refer you to after hospital move on quick and simply might refer you to long covid clinics if you want it, but took the decision to pay for a full medical assessment at a private hospital and check all the functional results with them - they weren't great, but also weren't that bad as to be overly concerned.

I have done it twice now and there was a big improvement the second time around, but of course there are still some functional issues (enzyme results from organs etc show you are under stress).

So, I opted out of you lihe of post covide support from NHS and making these decisions for myself. I have a recovery program worked out between a rehab specialist doctor and nurse and Physical instructor and in the main am following that so feel like I've made good progress - the hardest part is cutting through the self-pity/laziness to get on with it no matter what.

 

[Nick Real Deal]

Because I couldn't get an appointment.

Believe me we tried. I think I phoned my gp in Swindon then here over 50 times. Waiting hours in a que.

I have qued at the 7am in the morning to be turned away because there are no appointments.

People aren't getting cancer treatment so anyone going to the quacks for advice are not going to get anywhere.

I made an appointment this morning by phoning the surgery repeatedly at 07.59 which got an answerphone message, then at 08.00 the phone answered and I got through. The receptionist booked a phone back from my doctor at around 09.00 which he fulfilled. He discussed my symptoms and changed my medication for Angina over the phone and will phone back in 2 weeks to check how the new drug is doing.
I tried to book an appointment weeks ago but was left in a phone queue for 30 mins only to be told phone back tomorrow, that pissed me off. So my new system is to start phoning at 07.59 and repeat every 5 seconds until the answerphone switches to live at 08.00.

 

[Nick Real Deal]

I always hope for the best and the specialist(s) that they refer you to after hospital move on quick and simply might refer you to long covid clinics if you want it, but took the decision to pay for a full medical assessment at a private hospital and check all the functional results with them - they weren't great, but also weren't that bad as to be overly concerned.

I have done it twice now and there was a big improvement the second time around, but of course there are still some functional issues (enzyme results from organs etc show you are under stress).

So, I opted out of you lihe of post covide support from NHS and making these decisions for myself. I have a recovery program worked out between a rehab specialist doctor and nurse and Physical instructor and in the main am following that so feel like I've made good progress - the hardest part is cutting through the self-pity/laziness to get on with it no matter what.

I have the same issue with my condition. I've had it for 10 years but with the Angina just about a year. It wears you down and can demotivate ones resolve. I'm trying a new drug this week after kicking myself up the arse to try something.

 

[Real Deal]

Sorry, that's simply not scientifically accurate or anecdotally true, but each to their own.

[/QUOTE]

I worked as a Research Assistant, then Research Technician and then Senior Research Technician in numerous pharmaceutical companies for over 15 years. Working with some of the best scientists in the country.

I know how a vaccination process works. They normally take 10-15 years.

The only reason the covid vaccination programme has been cleared so quickly is because it's a pandemic and it's seen as a state of emergency.

My last point is up for debate. Anyone having a vaccination and becomes Ill can not he seen as a success.

Anyone being double jabbed and still gets admitted to a hospital, can not be seen as a success.

So no it isn't inaccurate because it's happening. It's an ongoing experiment that will change daily and you and others must stop shutting people down because it doesn't suit your agenda.

For the record I am not against vaccinations. I want real research done and not rushed.

People's lives are at stake with the vaccine just like it is with the virus.

 

[Nick Real Deal]

I worked as a Research Assistant, then Research Technician and then Senior Research Technician in numerous pharmaceutical companies for over 15 years. Working with some of the best scientists in the country.

I know how a vaccination process works. They normally take 10-15 years.

The only reason the covid vaccination programme has been cleared so quickly is because it's a pandemic and it's seen as a state of emergency.

My last point is up for debate. Anyone having a vaccination and becomes Ill can not he seen as a success.

Anyone being double jabbed and still gets admitted to a hospital, can not be seen as a success.

So no it isn't inaccurate because it's happening. It's an ongoing experiment that will change daily and you and others must stop shutting people down because it doesn't suit your agenda.

For the record I am not against vaccinations. I want real research done and not rushed.

People's lives are at stake with the vaccine just like it is with the virus.[/QUOTE]

Have you reported your adverse reaction to the second jab, is it worth it ? As I mentioned the differences in effects on individuals is all over the place.

 

[meee93]

Because I couldn't get an appointment.

Believe me we tried. I think I phoned my gp in Swindon then here over 50 times. Waiting hours in a que.

I have qued at the 7am in the morning to be turned away because there are no appointments.

People aren't getting cancer treatment so anyone going to the quacks for advice are not going to get anywhere.

I find it remarkable how poorly so many GP surgeries have been able to cope over the last year. My girlfriend took weeks of calling her local surgery to even get to speak to reception never mind a GP. Whereas I've had to call mine a few times since Covid started and always been able to get sorted within a few hours.

 

[Spursex]

I worked as a Research Assistant, then Research Technician and then Senior Research Technician in numerous pharmaceutical companies for over 15 years. Working with some of the best scientists in the country.

I know how a vaccination process works. They normally take 10-15 years.

The only reason the covid vaccination programme has been cleared so quickly is because it's a pandemic and it's seen as a state of emergency.

My last point is up for debate. Anyone having a vaccination and becomes Ill can not he seen as a success.

Anyone being double jabbed and still gets admitted to a hospital, can not be seen as a success.

So no it isn't inaccurate because it's happening. It's an ongoing experiment that will change daily and you and others must stop shutting people down because it doesn't suit your agenda.

For the record I am not against vaccinations. I want real research done and not rushed.

People's lives are at stake with the vaccine just like it is with the virus.[/QUOTE]

I know what you did RD, as you should know a SARs vacination was being worked on from 2002. the methodology, the science and the techniques from that same family of viurs's is what allowed the speedy work to be done on Covid.

So, as you can well see and know, the covid vaccine didn't take a year, it took almost two decades to come about - we got lucky all the basic research works and trails with sars put us in this happy place as far as the science is concerned.

Being double jabbed and ending up in hospital is statistically still minuscule compared to where we were - only the churlish would deny this success.

It's not about 'shutting down' it's about presenting the facts accurately and transparently - as you well know., and then making an informed decision, as opposed to not getting that chance, catching it, with more people dying.

 

[Pompey Yid]

Jesus there is some interesting reading on here, make your own mind up, to have or not to have, whatever way you look at it there are risks any which way you go, so up to the individual.

Me and Mrs PY, who is as you all know seriously ill, with her RSD/CRPS, have both had our "double jabs" Mrs PY had a couple of days iffy after, but that was expected with her ailment, she is fine, if you can call it fine, now back to normal suffering prior to both jabs.
Me after both nothing, nadda, nout, zilch as if nothing had happened.

Every oppo of mine who have had both, have been like me, nothing!

I am sorry RD that you and the missus are having adverse problems.

But I think the biggest problem is we are not all the same, thus a minority do suffer but the majority do not.

 

[Nick Real Deal]

Jesus there is some interesting reading on here, make your own mind up, to have or not to have, whatever way you look at it there are risks any which way you go, so up to the individual.

Me and Mrs PY, who is as you all know seriously ill, with her RSD/CRPS, have both had our "double jabs" Mrs PY had a couple of days iffy after, but that was expected with her ailment, she is fine, if you can call it fine, now back to normal suffering prior to both jabs.
Me after both nothing, nadda, nout, zilch as if nothing had happened.

Every oppo of mine who have had both, have been like me, nothing!

I am sorry RD that you and the missus are having adverse problems.

But I think the biggest problem is we are not all the same, thus a minority do suffer but the majority do not.

It makes me wonder, keeping in mind protection will vary from person to person. If you feel nothing......did it work ? Did your body react to the vaccine ?

 

[Pompey Yid]

It makes me wonder, keeping in mind protection will vary from person to person. If you feel nothing......did it work ? Did your body react to the vaccine ?

Good point there Nick, but am not such a doom monger as yourself lol!
Lets be perfectly honest we could go on about this all bloody day long, and some!

I come from a military back ground and served myself, I really find it difficult to be negative or even look for problems, 99% of the time I am head up, I know I do have my moans n groans but that is mostly just to get it off my chest and also go with the flo!

 

[Nick Real Deal]

Good point there Nick, but am not such a doom monger as yourself lol!
Lets be perfectly honest we could go on about this all bloody day long, and some!

I come from a military back ground and served myself, I really find it difficult to be negative or even look for problems, 99% of the time I am head up, I know I do have my moans n groans but that is mostly just to get it off my chest and also go with the flo!

I guess you can get tested for level of protection with an antibody test if you had any doubts. I'm not trying to cast nasturtiums !! Its just the unpredictable nature of this virus and even the vaccines which as RD suggests, we don't really know that much about yet.

 

[freundorfoe]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...-of-covid-19-vaccines-when-given-in-pregnancy


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/pregnancy.html

Thanks for those. I'm not saying there's clear evidence to the contrary of what you're saying, but if the vaccine rollout began in December in the UK (and remember at that point it was 90 year olds) it's impossible for them to have any significant data on what effects the vaccine has had on pregnancies taken to term who were vaccinated in their first trimester. Let's say generously that some pregnant women were vaccinated in Jan (which is still unlikely aside from high risk women based on how long it took for women of fertile age to be eligible) they wouldn't be seeing their pregnancies go to term til around now at the earliest.

 

[Real Deal]

I find it remarkable how poorly so many GP surgeries have been able to cope over the last year. My girlfriend took weeks of calling her local surgery to even get to speak to reception never mind a GP. Whereas I've had to call mine a few times since Covid started and always been able to get sorted within a few hours.

To be fair it was shocking before covid. It's just gone up another gear.

Mind you where I live now I'm surrounded by retired people so all the old sods get the nod.

I really worry about the cancer rates going through the roof now. So many people going under the radar now.

 

[10Hoddle]

That's the problem. It wouldn't be tiny. I went 5 times to Wembley during the Euro's, double vaccinated for most of that time and ended up with COVID. It's because of the exponential number of interactions you have with other people queuing to get in, getting a pint, use the gents etc, not to mention the crammed public transport on match day. It can mostly negate the 40-50% reduction in transmissibility when you're having hundreds of more exposures to other people.

Your incubation period logic is valid though. I would have probably been in that incubation period on the Sunday of the final. I tested positive on the Tuesday.

All this being said, until a mutation comes out that is worse than the Delta, we will just have accept that people will be getting COVID with milder symptoms after double jabs. I can't imagine what symptoms I may have had without it.

So our personal choice is to attend these super spreading events and accept that we may get COVID during the course of the season. Otherwise, stay at home and don't go.

Muttley, but the more people that get double vaxxed, the less likely the disease would spread from one vaxxed person to another.

 

[freundorfoe]

Pre delta variant they said we could potentially reach herd immunity with 60% of the pop being vaccinated. We’re at 72% now but seems data showing you need 3 jabs to be fully protected against delta, so in a way back to 0% of the population.

 

[10Hoddle]

I made an appointment this morning by phoning the surgery repeatedly at 07.59 which got an answerphone message, then at 08.00 the phone answered and I got through. The receptionist booked a phone back from my doctor at around 09.00 which he fulfilled. He discussed my symptoms and changed my medication for Angina over the phone and will phone back in 2 weeks to check how the new drug is doing.
I tried to book an appointment weeks ago but was left in a phone queue for 30 mins only to be told phone back tomorrow, that pissed me off. So my new system is to start phoning at 07.59 and repeat every 5 seconds until the answerphone switches to live at 08.00.

FFS NRD. Keep at it mate.

 

[muttley]

Muttley, but the more people that get double vaxxed, the less likely the disease would spread from one vaxxed person to another.

Your key words are "less likely". But how less likely?

For 2 jabs, think of the formula efficacy x transmissibility. So 0.1 (at 90%) x 0.4 (40% reduction)

That is 0.04. Divided into 1, that means having 2 jabs means that your are 25 times less likely to catch COVID with 2 jabs (I think). That's the good news.

Now put yourself in a stadium with 62k people where you've come on public transport, queued for a pint and a piss, and then sat in the South Stand. Then do that for 38 home games.

You can see why I don't like the delusion that people think they're safe just because they're double jabbed. Way more education required on what it actually means. People just think they can go back to the old norm, especially football fans.

 

[Gary Onedaysoon]

The adult population in the UK is approaching 56 million. So even with a protection rate of 93% against hospitalisation (two jabs of the vaccine) that's still nearly 4 million who are still susceptible. And nearly 20 million of double-jabbed who are still susceptible to catching the virus.