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I'm surprised your employer hasn't enforced the vaccination yet Scott.

Many are starting too.

You will get it at some point because every company going will make it compulsory.

The press stories this week about comments by the Equality and Human Rights Commission on the "no jab, no job" topic were interesting.

It's implied that there will be no legislation that gives companies a legal right to enforce it, except for healthcare setting like care homes. Companies probably won't even be able to enforce it for new joiners, let alone existing employees.

Then you have companies building databases of employee vaccine dates without even considering it as special category GDPR health data.

A total minefield.
 
I'm surprised your employer hasn't enforced the vaccination yet Scott.

Many are starting too.

You will get it at some point because every company going will make it compulsory.

No chance, it's all just scare tactics to get as many people to have it as possible.
 
Scott, your entitled to your opinion and choice, but being ever so humble I think you are wrong in making the choices you have, sorry mate.

Completely respect that and your opinion, like I've previously said I get tested regularly. I haven't hugged my grandparents for nearly 2 years, I am not careless and go around taking the piss.

Each to their own in my opinion, whatever side you're on I don't believe in making it a big 'us v them' issue. Normal life will soon be back (the new normal anyway) I'd like to hope after this winter.
 
Completely respect that and your opinion, like I've previously said I get tested regularly. I haven't hugged my grandparents for nearly 2 years, I am not careless and go around taking the piss.

Each to their own in my opinion, whatever side you're on I don't believe in making it a big 'us v them' issue. Normal life will soon be back (the new normal anyway) I'd like to hope after this winter.
Scott, no worries, it will never be a big "us v them" cheers mate.
 
I'm still awaiting my 1st jab due to the high demand over here. I haven't jumped the boat as the most vulnerable are most in need but it's still rather surprising.

My GP finally got in touch & arranged an appointment albeit at a local pharmacy lol. She couldn't get me a booking at the hospital or the local clinic. Admitted the situation was all a bit of a mess.

I pressed her on the known dangers & side effects & she was quite open & frank about it. Told me that she & her loved ones had all had it with no ill effects. However she went on to explain there were still inherent risks involved & couldn't offer any guarantees. She finished off by saying 'We could still find we may start dropping like flies in 10/15 years time, as nobody really knows what the outcome will be.' Thanks for that : /
 
I'm still awaiting my 1st jab due to the high demand over here. I haven't jumped the boat as the most vulnerable are most in need but it's still rather surprising.

My GP finally got in touch & arranged an appointment albeit at a local pharmacy lol. She couldn't get me a booking at the hospital or the local clinic. Admitted the situation was all a bit of a mess.

I pressed her on the known dangers & side effects & she was quite open & frank about it. Told me that she & her loved ones had all had it with no ill effects. However she went on to explain there were still inherent risks involved & couldn't offer any guarantees. She finished off by saying 'We could still find we may start dropping like flies in 10/15 years time, as nobody really knows what the outcome will be.' Thanks for that : /

Steve, wife and I, and most of the folks I work with, have all had two shots now. (Moderna & Pfeizer) Interestingly enough I had Moderna and my wife had Pfeizer. Neither of us had any is side effects at all for either shot...I think that is kind of rare. Most folks I know had very little issue with the first shot, but the second was kind of rough for most. Not horrible, but they felt kind of crappy for about a day or two.

I know there are a very small number that have had a serious reaction, but that percentile is extremely small and is the norm for all vaccinations/immunizations I have ever had. (and my immunization/vaccination sheet is like 3 pages long! I have had all the Anthraxes and boostres...yellow fever....etc....like holy shit...COVID probably never stood a chance when hitting my bloodstream! LOL)
 
Steve, wife and I, and most of the folks I work with, have all had two shots now. (Moderna & Pfeizer) Interestingly enough I had Moderna and my wife had Pfeizer. Neither of us had any is side effects at all for either shot...I think that is kind of rare. Most folks I know had very little issue with the first shot, but the second was kind of rough for most. Not horrible, but they felt kind of crappy for about a day or two.

I know there are a very small number that have had a serious reaction, but that percentile is extremely small and is the norm for all vaccinations/immunizations I have ever had. (and my immunization/vaccination sheet is like 3 pages long! I have had all the Anthraxes and boostres...yellow fever....etc....like holy shit...COVID probably never stood a chance when hitting my bloodstream! LOL)
Ha ha USAF, welcome to the club regards needles/vaccination, when serving we used to talk about pin cushion arms n arses lol!

Oh yes does your Military have this Yellow card thing that seems to be being taking off here.....as in, during training days if the instructor tells/instructs you on something, the rookie trainees can put up a Yellow card in disagreement, got told about this today by email from an oppo who served in the same unit as me, though younger and some years later.
If this is the case here, I really do fear for any serious Military opps that might come up.
 
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Ha ha USAF, welcome to the club regards needles/vaccination, when serving we used to talk about pin cushion arms n arses lol!

Oh yes does your Military have this Yellow card thing that seems to be being taking off here.....as in, during training days if the instructor tells/instructs you on something, the rookie trainees can put up a Yellow card in disagreement, got told about this today by email from an oppo who served in the same unit as me, though younger and some years later.
If this is the case here, I really do fear for any serious Military opps that might come up.

New kindler gentler generations bud...I am the old guard...
 
I’m An ICU Doctor And I Cannot Believe The Things Unvaccinated Patients Are Telling Me
“My experiences in the ICU these past weeks have left me surprised, disheartened, but most of all, angry.”


Thanh Neville, M.D., M.S.H.S.

Guest Writer
August 10th

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John Moore via Getty Images A “prone team,” wearing personal protective equipment (PPE), turns a COVID-19 patient onto his stomach in a Stamford Hospital intensive care unit (ICU) in Stamford, Connecticut.

“We can’t let COVID win.”
This was my colleague’s mantra when the pandemic started last year. And for the almost 18 months since, health care workers have rallied to the battlefields, even at times when we had no weapons to brandish.

We took care of the infected and the critically ill when no one else would. We reused N95 masks, carefully placing them in labeled brown paper bags in between shifts. We witnessed lonely deaths and held up iPads for families to say their heartbreaking goodbyes. We created elaborate backup schedules and neglected our personal lives. We stepped up during surges and when our colleagues fell ill. Camaraderie in the ICU had never been stronger because we recognized that this was a team effort and all of humanity was battling against a common enemy.

But as health care workers, we also were painfully aware of our own vulnerabilities. We can run out of ICU resources for our patients. We can run out of personal protective equipment for ourselves. We can be exposed on the job and get sick. And we can die — many of us did, more than 3,600 from COVID-19 in the first year.
Many of us quarantined away from our families to protect the ones we love. We counted the risk factors of our children, our elderly parents, our spouses, and came up with our own formulas to decide whether to come home at the end of the shift or hole up in a hotel room. One of our ICU directors wrote and rewrote our COVID-19 clinical guidelines to keep up with the evolving literature and somehow she carved out the time to write her own will.
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Courtesy of Thanh Neville, M.D., M.S.H.S. The author receiving her COVID-19 vaccination.
I worked daily to adapt our end-of-life program to the changing needs and restrictions of the pandemic and signed up for a vaccine clinical trial as soon as one became available. I also updated my own advance directive and printed it out for my husband, just in case.


Then, effective vaccines became widely available in the U.S. — I briefly saw light at the end of the tunnel. The number of patients with COVID-19 in ICUs across the country plummeted. It looked like our sacrifices and commitment as health care workers had paid off. We believed herd immunity could become a reality and we could return to some sense of normalcy.


But the relief was short-lived, the hope was fleeting, and we are amid another surge. A surge that is fueled by a highly transmissible variant and those unvaccinated. My experiences in the ICU these past weeks have left me surprised, disheartened, but most of all, angry.

I am angry that the tragic scenes of prior surges are being played out yet again, but now with ICUs primarily filled with patients who have chosen not to be vaccinated. I am angry that it takes me over an hour to explain to an anti-vaxxer full of misinformation that intubation isn’t what “kills patients” and that their wish for chest compressions without intubation in the event of a respiratory arrest makes no sense. I am angry at those who refuse to wear “muzzles” when grocery shopping for half an hour a week, as I have been so-called “muzzled” for much of the past 18 months.

I cannot understand the simultaneous decision to not get vaccinated and the demand to end the restrictions imposed by a pandemic. I cannot help but recoil as if I’ve been slapped in the face when my ICU patient tells me they didn’t get vaccinated because they “just didn’t get around to it.” Although such individuals do not consider themselves anti-vaxxers, their inaction itself is a decision — a decision to not protect themselves or their families, to fill a precious ICU bed, to let new variants flourish, and to endanger the health care workers and immunosuppressed people around them. Their inaction is a decision to let this pandemic continue to rage.

I am at a loss to understand how anyone can look at these past months of the pandemic — more than 600,000 lives lost in the U.S. and more than 4 million worldwide — and not believe it’s real or take it seriously.​

And meanwhile, immunocompromised people, for whom vaccines don’t generate much immunity, are desperately waiting for herd immunity. I have no way to comfort my rightfully outraged transplant patients who contracted COVID-19 after isolating for over a year and getting fully vaccinated as soon as they could. With angry tears, these patients tell me it’s not fair that there are people who are choosing to endanger both themselves and the vulnerable people around them. They feel betrayed by their fellow citizens and they are bitter and angry. I cannot blame them.

I am at a loss to understand how anyone can look at these past months of the pandemic — more than 600,000 lives lost in the U.S. and more than 4 million worldwide — and not believe it’s real or take it seriously. But the unhappy truth is that there are people who do not. They did not in the beginning and many are doubling down now.

I thought when this pandemic began that we were all in this fight together, engaged in a war against a common enemy. Now, I painfully realize: Perhaps we were never on the same side and we never had a common enemy. Perhaps the war has been among ourselves all along. We have won many battles but unvaccinated America is choosing to let COVID win the war.

Thanh Neville, M.D., M.S.H.S., is an ICU physician and researcher at UCLA Health. She is also the medical director of the UCLA 3 Wishes Program
 
I’m An ICU Doctor And I Cannot Believe The Things Unvaccinated Patients Are Telling Me
“My experiences in the ICU these past weeks have left me surprised, disheartened, but most of all, angry.”


Thanh Neville, M.D., M.S.H.S.

Guest Writer
August 10th

6102ce2c3b0000ba81ecd72f.jpeg

John Moore via Getty Images A “prone team,” wearing personal protective equipment (PPE), turns a COVID-19 patient onto his stomach in a Stamford Hospital intensive care unit (ICU) in Stamford, Connecticut.

“We can’t let COVID win.”
This was my colleague’s mantra when the pandemic started last year. And for the almost 18 months since, health care workers have rallied to the battlefields, even at times when we had no weapons to brandish.

We took care of the infected and the critically ill when no one else would. We reused N95 masks, carefully placing them in labeled brown paper bags in between shifts. We witnessed lonely deaths and held up iPads for families to say their heartbreaking goodbyes. We created elaborate backup schedules and neglected our personal lives. We stepped up during surges and when our colleagues fell ill. Camaraderie in the ICU had never been stronger because we recognized that this was a team effort and all of humanity was battling against a common enemy.

But as health care workers, we also were painfully aware of our own vulnerabilities. We can run out of ICU resources for our patients. We can run out of personal protective equipment for ourselves. We can be exposed on the job and get sick. And we can die — many of us did, more than 3,600 from COVID-19 in the first year.
Many of us quarantined away from our families to protect the ones we love. We counted the risk factors of our children, our elderly parents, our spouses, and came up with our own formulas to decide whether to come home at the end of the shift or hole up in a hotel room. One of our ICU directors wrote and rewrote our COVID-19 clinical guidelines to keep up with the evolving literature and somehow she carved out the time to write her own will.
6102b469280000c6977034e1.png

Courtesy of Thanh Neville, M.D., M.S.H.S. The author receiving her COVID-19 vaccination.
I worked daily to adapt our end-of-life program to the changing needs and restrictions of the pandemic and signed up for a vaccine clinical trial as soon as one became available. I also updated my own advance directive and printed it out for my husband, just in case.


Then, effective vaccines became widely available in the U.S. — I briefly saw light at the end of the tunnel. The number of patients with COVID-19 in ICUs across the country plummeted. It looked like our sacrifices and commitment as health care workers had paid off. We believed herd immunity could become a reality and we could return to some sense of normalcy.


But the relief was short-lived, the hope was fleeting, and we are amid another surge. A surge that is fueled by a highly transmissible variant and those unvaccinated. My experiences in the ICU these past weeks have left me surprised, disheartened, but most of all, angry.

I am angry that the tragic scenes of prior surges are being played out yet again, but now with ICUs primarily filled with patients who have chosen not to be vaccinated. I am angry that it takes me over an hour to explain to an anti-vaxxer full of misinformation that intubation isn’t what “kills patients” and that their wish for chest compressions without intubation in the event of a respiratory arrest makes no sense. I am angry at those who refuse to wear “muzzles” when grocery shopping for half an hour a week, as I have been so-called “muzzled” for much of the past 18 months.

I cannot understand the simultaneous decision to not get vaccinated and the demand to end the restrictions imposed by a pandemic. I cannot help but recoil as if I’ve been slapped in the face when my ICU patient tells me they didn’t get vaccinated because they “just didn’t get around to it.” Although such individuals do not consider themselves anti-vaxxers, their inaction itself is a decision — a decision to not protect themselves or their families, to fill a precious ICU bed, to let new variants flourish, and to endanger the health care workers and immunosuppressed people around them. Their inaction is a decision to let this pandemic continue to rage.

I am at a loss to understand how anyone can look at these past months of the pandemic — more than 600,000 lives lost in the U.S. and more than 4 million worldwide — and not believe it’s real or take it seriously.​

And meanwhile, immunocompromised people, for whom vaccines don’t generate much immunity, are desperately waiting for herd immunity. I have no way to comfort my rightfully outraged transplant patients who contracted COVID-19 after isolating for over a year and getting fully vaccinated as soon as they could. With angry tears, these patients tell me it’s not fair that there are people who are choosing to endanger both themselves and the vulnerable people around them. They feel betrayed by their fellow citizens and they are bitter and angry. I cannot blame them.

I am at a loss to understand how anyone can look at these past months of the pandemic — more than 600,000 lives lost in the U.S. and more than 4 million worldwide — and not believe it’s real or take it seriously. But the unhappy truth is that there are people who do not. They did not in the beginning and many are doubling down now.

I thought when this pandemic began that we were all in this fight together, engaged in a war against a common enemy. Now, I painfully realize: Perhaps we were never on the same side and we never had a common enemy. Perhaps the war has been among ourselves all along. We have won many battles but unvaccinated America is choosing to let COVID win the war.

Thanh Neville, M.D., M.S.H.S., is an ICU physician and researcher at UCLA Health. She is also the medical director of the UCLA 3 Wishes Program
Jesus Ex, reading that, it is so heartfelt and very bloody true, just reading it made me in the printed words "angry and at a loss".
Thanks for it.
 
Jesus Ex, reading that, it is so heartfelt and very bloody true, just reading it made me in the printed words "angry and at a loss".
Thanks for it.

My local trust now has 20 pregnant women in ICU, none are vaccinated. Two not in ICU have needed help and being monitored but both are expected to recover, the same cannot be said for those in critical care.

It breaks my heart. It really does. They're now seeing kids as young at 15 to 19 being rushed in and have already lost some.

The Doctors and nurses are now being emotionally drained, we cannot allow this to carry on much longer or we will not have an emergency service left.
 
Over 60 pregnant women were in intensive care as of the end of July, I can guarantee you August is going to be much higher. Many simply won't make it. If not most as their condition, when moved to ICU now, is generally critical, and sadly most will lose their babies too - it's a devastating time.

Vaccine in Pregnancy

A record number of pregnant women were admitted to intensive care with COVID-19 in July, The Guardian reported.

It quoted figures from the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre showing that that in England, Wales, and Northern Ireland 66 pregnant women ended up in intensive care in July, the highest number since the pandemic began.

Last week, Dr Pat O’Brien, vice president of the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, welcomed a study that showed that vaccines were safe and effective for pregnant women.

He said: "We now have robust data of nearly 200,000 women from across the US and the UK, who have received the COVID-19 vaccine with no safety concerns."