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We were talking down the pub.......

Walthamstow wanderer

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Following on from Total Spurs recent thread , we were talking down the pub when the subject of modern referees came up and the obvious comparison of refs from years ago . .
Can anyone on here remember Roger Kirkpatrick ? Now there was a character who really made you laugh but controlled the game brilliantly .Back in the seventies for the younger ones on here
 
This isn't a statement, but a genuine question as I often bemoan the terrible standard of refereeing in the PL...
but how much of current referees being **** is down to

a) the speed of the game being more intense so they're less able to keep up than the days where players would hit the pub and have a kebab after (or before a game)?

and b) down to the multi angle, super slow-mo replays making everyone aware of how bad a mistake they've made whereas this technology wasn't as widespread a few years ago leaving us a little more in the dark if they got a call right or wrong?
 
Or down to the abuse referees take from an early age and most of them quit because it isn't worth it.
 
freundorfoe - 19/3/2018 23:30

This isn't a statement, but a genuine question as I often bemoan the terrible standard of refereeing in the PL...
but how much of current referees being **** is down to

a) the speed of the game being more intense so they're less able to keep up than the days where players would hit the pub and have a kebab after (or before a game)?

and b) down to the multi angle, super slow-mo replays making everyone aware of how bad a mistake they've made whereas this technology wasn't as widespread a few years ago leaving us a little more in the dark if they got a call right or wrong?
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On one of the var threads I did advocate going back to just the one central camera , high in the stands , and never ever go back to contemplating VAR It's all just ridiculous . Making the game a laughing stock .why do we really need to know every minute detail, really .
Anyhow , I would recommend searching for Roger Kirkpatrick on you tube , there is a game he ref'd on there where he is only briefly shown , city v mu I think . What a character ,
 
On your examples ,Freund, I would agree that both are are causing problems . Michael Oliver doesn't get half the errors that a few of the others do . I'm sure that's down to age and fitness. They all went through fitness regimes a while ago , I'm not sure how their fitness can ever compare to a twenty year old professional footballer. I wouldn't want the Lino's job either . The offside law must be a nightmare to get right with all them cameras and now someone else watching from a studio . Big brother on a different scale
 
80deg16minW - 20/3/2018 02:22

Or down to the abuse referees take from an early age and most of them quit because it isn't worth it.
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this has always been the case though has it not? Agree it's a factor. Think you have to be a special type of sociopath to want to be a referee... or a politician.
 
freundorfoe - 19/3/2018 23:30

This isn't a statement, but a genuine question as I often bemoan the terrible standard of refereeing in the PL...
but how much of current referees being **** is down to

a) the speed of the game being more intense so they're less able to keep up than the days where players would hit the pub and have a kebab after (or before a game)?

and b) down to the multi angle, super slow-mo replays making everyone aware of how bad a mistake they've made whereas this technology wasn't as widespread a few years ago leaving us a little more in the dark if they got a call right or wrong?
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One of the key issues is fitness of referees, so many still look out of condition and behind the play, which is equally true of the linesmen - the game, it's intensity and it's speed have changed enormously over the last 20 years - and our refs are still 10 years behind.

And you are also dead right about technology - but the direction of travel and analysis is not going to change now at the top level; the PL ultimate masters are the media companies - so it's a media speculate first and foremost now, not a stadium one...
 
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