mike_field
Vital Football Legend
Is this my chest to bare?
Have I missed a theme?
Have I missed a theme?
"We invented Jesus Christ"
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JamTomorrow
Vital Youth Team
Years and years of intense study and research so easily dismissed then? :83:
Please do, I have seen much reference to a person named Jesus, but actual proof that "Christ" existed, should be interesting.
kefkat
Vital Football Legend
Evidence outside The New Testament about Jesus includes in Tacitus & Suetonius, Roman historians. Josephus Jewish historian.
People generally don't sneer at writings outside The Bible, about Jesus, yet do in The Bible. No that isn't a pop at anyone. It is just a fact I have written with my theology notes.
Herodotus, Thucydides, Tacitus, Caesar's Gaelic War and Livy's Roman History also shows evidence of Jesus in the writings.
Plus then you have 5,000 + copies of Greek writings, 10,000 Latin and 9,300 other types of The New Testament.
All of these aren't just thrown into a book without being judged and studied. Theology masters have spent many hundreds of years studying, cross referencing and checking what is written in The Bible/ Christian theology and still are.
Every version of The Bible is to bring the language up to date from KJV to The NIV. depends which type you like to read. Many versions also checked and studied have meditations and life connections in.
The Bible: 1 of the most controversial books ever written yet is studied and theology degrees being obtained to master in this area year after year.
Then of-course we have the Dead sea scrolls and other works to add to the various proofs in The O.T and N.T.
Saying that does not mean I take The Bible literally in all it's stories and timescales because I don't.
To believe in God or whatever your choice of God is to be at it's core to be in a relationship and to thine own self be true
People generally don't sneer at writings outside The Bible, about Jesus, yet do in The Bible. No that isn't a pop at anyone. It is just a fact I have written with my theology notes.
Herodotus, Thucydides, Tacitus, Caesar's Gaelic War and Livy's Roman History also shows evidence of Jesus in the writings.
Plus then you have 5,000 + copies of Greek writings, 10,000 Latin and 9,300 other types of The New Testament.
All of these aren't just thrown into a book without being judged and studied. Theology masters have spent many hundreds of years studying, cross referencing and checking what is written in The Bible/ Christian theology and still are.
Every version of The Bible is to bring the language up to date from KJV to The NIV. depends which type you like to read. Many versions also checked and studied have meditations and life connections in.
The Bible: 1 of the most controversial books ever written yet is studied and theology degrees being obtained to master in this area year after year.
Then of-course we have the Dead sea scrolls and other works to add to the various proofs in The O.T and N.T.
Saying that does not mean I take The Bible literally in all it's stories and timescales because I don't.
To believe in God or whatever your choice of God is to be at it's core to be in a relationship and to thine own self be true
thefacehead
Vital Football Hero
Don't you know how busy he is?????
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JESUS CHRIST MAN!!!
HeathfieldRoad1874
Miserable Sod
Whilst an interesting hypothesis, it doesn't explain everything. For example, without Paul Christianity would have faded away to nothing, as many other Cults did at the time. That implies that if the Romans did want to put Christ forward as the new Messiah, then they didn't do a very good job. JC was just one of many at the time who claimed the role.
mike_field
Vital Football Legend
They gave us the twat who got stabbed in the back, and more importantly Spartacus!
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This is a nice story of the Judean Date Palm tree, mentioned in the OT and thought to just be legend until recently. In the 1960's, archeologists unearthed a small stockpile of seeds but they were just kept in a drawer for over 40 years. Here's the story below, dont you just love the complexity of life?
Sorry its got little to do about Jesus!
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For thousands of years, Judean date palm trees were one of the most recognizable and welcome sights for people living in the Middle East -- widely cultivated throughout the region for their sweet fruit, and for the cool shade they offered from the blazing desert sun.
From its founding some 3,000 years ago, to the dawn of the Common Era, the trees became a staple crop in the Kingdom of Judea, even garnering several shout-outs in the Old Testament. Judean palm trees would come to serve as one of the kingdom's chief symbols of good fortune; King David named his daughter, Tamar, after the plant's name in Hebrew.
By the time the Roman Empire sought to usurp control of the kingdom in 70 AD, broad forests of these trees flourished as a staple crop to the Judean economy -- a fact that made them a prime resource for the invading army to destroy. Sadly, around the year 500 AD, the once plentiful palm had been completely wiped out, driven to extinction for the sake of conquest.
In the centuries that followed, first-hand knowledge of the tree slipped from memory to legend. Up until recently, that is.
During excavations at the site of Herod the Great's palace in Israel in the early 1960's, archeologists unearthed a small stockpile of seeds stowed in a clay jar dating back 2,000 years. For the next four decades, the ancient seeds were kept in a drawer at Tel Aviv's Bar-Ilan University. But then, in 2005, botanical researcher Elaine Solowey decided to plant one and see what, if anything, would sprout.
"I assumed the food in the seed would be no good after all that time. How could it be?" said Solowey. She was soon proven wrong.
Amazingly, the multi-millennial seed did indeed sprout -- producing a sapling no one had seen in centuries, becoming the oldest known tree seed to germinate.
http://www.treehugger.com/natural-sciences/extinct-tree-grows-anew-after-archaeologists-dig-ancient-seed-stockpile.html
Sorry its got little to do about Jesus!
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For thousands of years, Judean date palm trees were one of the most recognizable and welcome sights for people living in the Middle East -- widely cultivated throughout the region for their sweet fruit, and for the cool shade they offered from the blazing desert sun.
From its founding some 3,000 years ago, to the dawn of the Common Era, the trees became a staple crop in the Kingdom of Judea, even garnering several shout-outs in the Old Testament. Judean palm trees would come to serve as one of the kingdom's chief symbols of good fortune; King David named his daughter, Tamar, after the plant's name in Hebrew.
By the time the Roman Empire sought to usurp control of the kingdom in 70 AD, broad forests of these trees flourished as a staple crop to the Judean economy -- a fact that made them a prime resource for the invading army to destroy. Sadly, around the year 500 AD, the once plentiful palm had been completely wiped out, driven to extinction for the sake of conquest.
In the centuries that followed, first-hand knowledge of the tree slipped from memory to legend. Up until recently, that is.
During excavations at the site of Herod the Great's palace in Israel in the early 1960's, archeologists unearthed a small stockpile of seeds stowed in a clay jar dating back 2,000 years. For the next four decades, the ancient seeds were kept in a drawer at Tel Aviv's Bar-Ilan University. But then, in 2005, botanical researcher Elaine Solowey decided to plant one and see what, if anything, would sprout.
"I assumed the food in the seed would be no good after all that time. How could it be?" said Solowey. She was soon proven wrong.
Amazingly, the multi-millennial seed did indeed sprout -- producing a sapling no one had seen in centuries, becoming the oldest known tree seed to germinate.
http://www.treehugger.com/natural-sciences/extinct-tree-grows-anew-after-archaeologists-dig-ancient-seed-stockpile.html
HeathfieldRoad1874
Miserable Sod
http://www.amazon.com/The-Christ-John-E-Remsberg/dp/0879759240
If you can get hold of a copy of this book, then it is worth the read. Basically, he looks at 42 historians from the time of Christ, all documenting the region, who fail to mention JC. Only one, Josephus does, and there is evidence to suggest this has been tampered with. He points to the only evidence being texts written by Christians, and that is Paul hadn't been around to promote the faith, we would never have heard of Christ.
All this from a book first published in 1909.
If we accept the point that the Jesus story as we know it isn't true, where does that leave Christianity? A whole faith, believed by billions, all made up? Paul must have been some PR Guru!!!
If you can get hold of a copy of this book, then it is worth the read. Basically, he looks at 42 historians from the time of Christ, all documenting the region, who fail to mention JC. Only one, Josephus does, and there is evidence to suggest this has been tampered with. He points to the only evidence being texts written by Christians, and that is Paul hadn't been around to promote the faith, we would never have heard of Christ.
All this from a book first published in 1909.
If we accept the point that the Jesus story as we know it isn't true, where does that leave Christianity? A whole faith, believed by billions, all made up? Paul must have been some PR Guru!!!
HeathfieldRoad1874
Miserable Sod
I'm sure JC would be extremely proud of his effect on the World since his death:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24532694
Glenda Xiomara Cruz was crippled by abdominal pain and heavy bleeding in the early hours of 30 October 2012. The 19-year-old from Puerto El Triunfo, eastern El Salvador, went to the nearest public hospital where doctors said she had lost her baby.
After two emergency operations and three weeks in hospital she was moved to Ilopango women's prison on the outskirts of the capital San Salvador. Then last month she was sentenced to 10 years in jail, the judge ruling that she should have saved the baby's life.
But the government has made no attempt to repeal or relax the law since coming to power in 2009, as it remains popular with large parts of the conservative population, who revere the Church and pro-life religious groups such as Si a la Vida (Yes to Life).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24532694
Glenda Xiomara Cruz was crippled by abdominal pain and heavy bleeding in the early hours of 30 October 2012. The 19-year-old from Puerto El Triunfo, eastern El Salvador, went to the nearest public hospital where doctors said she had lost her baby.
After two emergency operations and three weeks in hospital she was moved to Ilopango women's prison on the outskirts of the capital San Salvador. Then last month she was sentenced to 10 years in jail, the judge ruling that she should have saved the baby's life.
But the government has made no attempt to repeal or relax the law since coming to power in 2009, as it remains popular with large parts of the conservative population, who revere the Church and pro-life religious groups such as Si a la Vida (Yes to Life).
