WBA v Manchester City - 3pm BST Sat 29th Oct - Premier League Match Day Thread

Tudor

Vital Football Legend
Another cracking MDT, written by Skoorb.

Albion sit 13th in the Premier League table having secured only two victories - on the opening day away against Palace and in mid-September when they put 4 past the misfiring West Ham. Prior to their defeat at Anfield last weekend they had been undefeated in four games with three consecutive 1-1 draws which included holding Tottenham at the Hawthorns. Rest assured they will be no “push over” and I am convinced that Pep knows this already - he needs no lectures from all and sundry in the media about how there are “no easy games in the Premier League” and “he can’t expect teams to roll over for him like they did in Spain and Germany”. I am just as certain that Pep never expected any team to roll over against any of his sides and that the victories which they enjoyed were the as much the result of his preparation, tactics and efforts of his players as any perceived capitulation by his opponents. No team sets out to lose a game but they might lose heart if they are playing without the ball for long periods and unable to gain a foothold in the match. But just as it is difficult for the media to embrace Guardiola’s thinking on how football should be played I guess it is similarly a step too far to expect them to avoid their clichés.

With Barcelona arriving at the Etihad on Wednesday for the Champions’ League group stage return fixture Guardiola will be hoping that none of his squad are on the end of the sort of ‘robust’ challenges for which Tony ‘take no prisoners’ Pulis’s sides have been renowned over the years. On that score however there is a feeling among some Blues that City need to develop a harder edge to their game. The first half last weekend saw them pretty much bullied by Puel’s Southampton players who gave no quarter and who were not averse to leaving a foot in early doors when the referee was likely to be more lenient. When City came out for the second half and finally started to give as good as they got it seemed that this, combined with the increase in the tempo of their play, helped them to gain the upper hand and deliver a much needed improvement in their performance.

For me this was a sign that whilst the players have had the benefit now of nearly 4 months of Pep’s coaching, they seem have been prone to lapsing into old ways and slowing the build-up. The number of times against the Saints when they simply failed to progress the ball forward quickly enough and allowed the men in red and white stripes to regain their well drilled defensive positions had me nearly chewing lumps out of the sofa. Indeed their goal might also be an example of this ‘dawdling’ (or the clichéd ‘overplaying’ so popular with the hacks) when Stones, with his wingback Sané still high up the pitch and unavailable to receive a forward pass, the young man looked inside played the ball behind his team mate - a misunderstanding borne of lack of serious game time with his defensive partner Vincent Kompany. The rest is history and was a Godsend to the hacks.

That City have lost their fluidity and confidence is not perhaps a surprise - that can happen when results don’t go the way you want. This can have a corrosive effect on a team and the passes that previously fizzed into a team mate’s feet and stuck are now being under hit or mis-directed and the freedom that we witnessed in the early weeks of the season has evaporated.

City has won all of the last 6 encounters between the two sides scoring 17 and conceding only 5 goals.

No better time to extend that sequence to seven.

Come On City!!!


Team News:

Man City:
> Out - Sagna
> Doubtful - Zabaleta; Delph; De Bruyne

West Brom:-
> Out -
> Doubtful - McClean

De Bruyne and Zabaleta remain doubts for this fixture. The club has decided to hold the Jovetic Award* ceremony early this season so that Fabian Delph has somewhere to watch games that he can call his own and ffee up space in the dressing room. They have also decided to rename the award The Fabian Delph Trophy.

*This is based upon the length of time you spend in the company of the medical team as a proportion of your contract.

For West Brom McClean faces a late fitness test otherwise Tony Pulis has a full complement to select from.

League Standing & Form:

01 Manchester City P9 W6 D2 L1 GF20 GA09 GD +11 Pts 20 Form WWWLDD
13 West Brom P9 W2 D4 L3 GF10 GA10 GD 0 Pts 14 Form LWDDDL

Overall Form:
Manchester City P16 W10 D3 L2 GF35 GA17
West Brom Albion P10 W2 D4 L4 GF12 GA12

Previous meeting (last 6 matches):

EPL 09/04/16 Man City 2 West Brom 1
EPL 10/08/15 West Brom 0 Man City 3
EPL 21/03/15 Man City 3 West Brom 0
EPL 26/12/14 West Brom 1 Man City 3
EPL 21/04/14 Man City 3 West Brom 1
EPL 04/12/13 West Brom 2 Man City 3

Goals - City 17 West Brom 5
Y Cards - City 4 West Brom 7
R Cards - City 0 West Brom 1

Top scorers (all comps):
Manchester City - Aguero 11; Sterling 5; Nolito 5; Iheanacho 4
West Brom - Chadli 4; Rondon 3; McAuley 3; McClean 2
 
Both DeBruyne and Zaba were pictured in training yesterday so could be in contention to start.

I've heard elsewhere that Delph had groin surgery last week that will see him out for 7 weeks.
 
Bluedub - 28/10/2016 09:43

Both DeBruyne and Zaba were pictured in training yesterday so could be in contention to start.

I've heard elsewhere that Delph had groin surgery last week that will see him out for 7 weeks.


I think Kompany can also be included in this scenario as well.
 
Colin Is The King - 28/10/2016 09:59

Bluedub - 28/10/2016 09:43

Both DeBruyne and Zaba were pictured in training yesterday so could be in contention to start.

I've heard elsewhere that Delph had groin surgery last week that will see him out for 7 weeks.


I think Kompany can also be included in this scenario as well.

Last I heard was that Kompany will not feature - he's tired!
 
Tudor - 28/10/2016 06:19

.... Guardiola will be hoping that none of his squad are on the end of the sort of ‘robust’ challenges for which Tony ‘take no prisoners’ Pulis’s sides have been renowned over the years. On that score however there is a feeling among some Blues that City need to develop a harder edge to their game. The first half last weekend saw them pretty much bullied by Puel’s Southampton players who gave no quarter and who were not averse to leaving a foot in early doors when the referee was likely to be more lenient. When City came out for the second half and finally started to give as good as they got it seemed that this, combined with the increase in the tempo of their play, helped them to gain the upper hand and deliver a much needed improvement in their performance.

It could be argued that the improvement in performance was as a result of the increase in tempo, not because we were putting our foot in. It's a bit chicken and egg
 
Pep's pre match presser is imminent...

Pulis's underway...

"We've got one or two knocks and niggles that we won't be sure about tomorrow.I don't want to say any names."

"Pep will be bringing his first team to the Hawthorns so it should make for compelling viewing."

"They've got some fantastic kids there and it's important that they have been given the chance to grow."
 
Tudor - 28/10/2016 06:19

... Indeed their goal might also be an example of this ‘dawdling’ (or the clichéd ‘overplaying’ so popular with the hacks) when Stones, with his wingback Sané still high up the pitch and unavailable to receive a forward pass, the young man looked inside played the ball behind his team mate - a misunderstanding borne of lack of serious game time with his defensive partner Vincent Kompany. The rest is history and was a Godsend to the hacks.

I think the problem was that the young man didn't look inside. He played the pass without looking, and he badly under hit it. He's a bit guilty of these lapses in concentration. Fortunately he's working under someone who will coach this out of him. I still see him as future captain of our team
 
There was a lot of talk before Stoke about how this was a test for Guardiola because they represent the English way but that doesn't really ring true with Sparkless at the reins.

It's Tony Penis that had Stoke playing like that and now his Baggies are playing that way too.

This will be Total Football meets Troglodyte Football.
 
Pre WBA Press Conference right now...

PEP: The injuries are getting better, but I cannot answer who will play at West Brom.

PEP: Vincent didn’t play the second half [against United] because he was tired. He didn’t play as much the last two seasons and we want to keep him safe. We need to handle the situation until he can play 90 minutes.

PEP: Congratulations to Tony on his new contract. West Brom use Pulis’ style marvellously. I saw against Tottenham, they use the long ball and they defend low. We have to adapt.

PEP: Many things have changed in the last six games. In the beginning we were winning and now we’re not. But, we are fighting, like we were in the beginning.
 
Sky Spanish Footy Expert Guillaume Balague this afternoon...

"...I feel City are going to get things right. It was interesting in the EFL Cup where United, with a greater need to win you could argue, fielded their strongest possible team while City viewed it as part of a project, an exercise to get the maximum out of a squad in a particular style. While it was a short-term gain for United it’s a long-term project for City, and the long-term projects tend to win."
 
Feel sorry for Stones. He's getting a tough time of late from the media mainly due to the large fee we obviously paid for his services but also because people expected to him to hit the ground running. Myself included. Give the boy time! such a cliche nowadays but its obvious he is going to be a great player for the club. Otamendi is getting better but still not there and its a known fact we cannot rely on Vinny anymore. Stones will step up under Guardiola I am sure of that.

Found this video debating Stones's progression at City (second topic). One of the panelists suggests Pep can get the same out of Stones as a ball playing CB as he did with Pique at Barce. I agree, it's entirely possible, IF given time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cuDJNYgpYg
 
Nice one Sarnie, good pointers and welcome to VMC!

This one just in from a bloke called Luis Enrique...

"To the critics of Guardiola I will say this: don't worry, he's going to win trophies this season. Critics will always appear because people don't like it when the same people win all the time, but I'm sure Pep is going to win, and he's going to win while playing the same spectacular football we saw at the start of the season. If you have to have a philosophy and an idea you have to die by it."
 
Sane's Sarnie - 28/10/2016 14:18

Feel sorry for Stones. He's getting a tough time of late from the media mainly due to the large fee we obviously paid for his services but also because people expected to him to hit the ground running. Myself included. Give the boy time! such a cliche nowadays but its obvious he is going to be a great player for the club. Otamendi is getting better but still not there and its a known fact we cannot rely on Vinny anymore. Stones will step up under Guardiola I am sure of that.

Found this video debating Stones's progression at City (second topic). One of the panelists suggests Pep can get the same out of Stones as a ball playing CB as he did with Pique at Barce. I agree, it's entirely possible, IF given time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cuDJNYgpYg

Decent video that, thanks for posting it. I was wary of us signing Stones as it seemed every time I watched him he looked an accident waiting to happen. Have to say that I've been impressed so far and am excited about how good he can become, ok he made a mistake against Southampton but as long as he learns from it we're all good.

I found the bit about Spurs interesting, I've seen them rack up the yellows in other fixtures they've played this season but against us they seemed to get away it for some reason.
 
Sane's Sarnie - 28/10/2016 14:18

Feel sorry for Stones. He's getting a tough time of late from the media mainly due to the large fee we obviously paid for his services but also because people expected to him to hit the ground running. Myself included. Give the boy time! such a cliche nowadays but its obvious he is going to be a great player for the club. Otamendi is getting better but still not there and its a known fact we cannot rely on Vinny anymore. Stones will step up under Guardiola I am sure of that.

Found this video debating Stones's progression at City (second topic). One of the panelists suggests Pep can get the same out of Stones as a ball playing CB as he did with Pique at Barce. I agree, it's entirely possible, IF given time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cuDJNYgpYg

Nice one fellow Blue and welcome to VMC :026:
 
In The hacks opinion T Stones should have signed for one of their Clubs not City. I think the lad is brilliant and yes he will make mistakes, but you learn from your mistakes that's what makes a good player a very good player.
 
So here we are Blues on what has become a critical weekend after the home draws with Saints and Everton. We simply have to win.

And the only way we are gonna do that is if we start shooting!

Hoping Kev starts.
 
I'll be watching today's game online (won't we all if you live in the UK).

Will anyone be around on the MDT today?