Watford v Manchester City - 3pm BST Sun 21 May Premier League Match Day Thread

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City travel to Vicarage Road to face Watford in the final match of Pep's inaugural season in the Premier League and with their Champions League qualification fate well within their grasp.

Whilst City sit in third place a point ahead of Liverpool, 3 points ahead of Arsenal and with a superior goal difference there remain a number of circumstances which could still result in any of these three clubs ending up in the first ever play off for a Champions League place. After Chelsea secured the title and Spurs cemented second spot the prospect of this scenario coming to pass remains the last best hope that those at Sky can pin their hopes on for their latest 'Super Sunday' thrill of the season.

The simple fact remains though that a win for City secures third place no questions asked and would ensure that Pep Guardiola and his immediate bosses can start their planning for the summer acquisitions safe in the knowledge that they can offer Champions League football to any of the myriad of players that we will be linked with during the 'silly season'. Securing automatic CL qualification apart from avoiding messing up the summer tour plans with qualifying legs to distant parts of the continent would also ease some of the disappointment surrounding Pep's first season. A proper review of the season is best left for another time but for now my school report for Pep is currently rated as a B+ and in the "tries hard but could do better". A win on Sunday would see me prepared to upgrade his final mark to an A- a decision not least tinged with some historical perspective.

Twenty years ago City finished 14th in Division One (now the Championship) - a sort of staging post before the slip to the third tier of English football and a turbulent, rollercoaster period which saw City relegated or promoted in each of the next five seasons. What a ride that was. Whilst at times thrilling and desperately disappointing, one moment stands out for me during that time and it remains a benchmark against which any failure to win all four domestic trophies and the Champions League in a single season is measured. It was the 88th minute of the Play Off final and Bob Taylor had just scored Gillingham's second goal........as I stood frozen in my friend's living room (I didn't have Sky) the future spread out before me .......another season of miserable midweek away games at S**nthorpe or Macclesfield etc and I feared City would from then on be doomed to the lower regions of the football league. I thought there was no way back and we would become like Preston NE - a team with a proud history in the game but unable to regain a place in the top flight and stay there.

So where we are now 'ain't so bad. Since 2011/12 we have finished 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 4th in the Premier League and are on course to finish in the top four again (touch wood, fingers crossed etc). This season will be the fourth consecutive season that Manchester City FC have finished higher in the league than the rags, indeed this will be the 5th time that has happened in the last 6 seasons. That always brings a smile to my face. :026:

It has not been a perfect season but there is much to look forward to for 2017/18.

After a brilliant home send off for the City Legend that is Pablo Zabaleta :021: the squad now need to get the job done against a Watford side that has been showing definite signs of having become detached from their manager..........a situation which was confirmed as permanent this week when the owners sacked Walter Materazzi. Never mind barely escaping relegation or the five league defeats on the bounce I heard one comment this week which stated that his failure to learn English was being cited as a reason by the owners for dispensing with his services. Go figure.

Watford will be without the hatchet man Prodl who is suspended and should have had his marching orders in the reverse fixture for a series of late challenges but survived courtesy of the weak officiating in the game that I still hold responsible for depriving City of the services of Ilkay Gundogan for more than half the season. He was the victim of what became a pattern of persistent fouling which commenced as soon as City regained possession with most of the offences being committed high enough up the pitch for the officials to see them as 'just part of the game' instead of a deliberate tactical ploy where players disrupt the play with 'niggly' tugs, kicks and shoves. It was one of those just inside the City half that caused Gundogan to fall awkwardly, rupture his ACL, ruin his season and (IMO) deprive City of the sort of goals from midfield that might have seen us win a few of those drawn games.......

Cathcart and Kaboul are out for the Hornets and there are doubts over Britos and Kabasele.

Aside from Bravo and Gundogan there is only a doubt over Delph for Pep & so I suspect that Fabien can pretty much start planning his holidays given the other players available. Aside from Zabaleta this fixture potentially marks the final appearances for several other players whose contracts expire including Toure, Sagna, Navas, Clichy and Caballero. I wonder how soon after the season ends these decisions will be taken. The signs are that Toure may well have done enough to earn a mooted contract extension but it remains to be seen whether Navas's 're-invention' as a full back is a stop-gap for the end of this season alone. Clichy likewise has featured quite a lot more recently and he too could be in line for a stay as he seems to fit the Pep mould of players who can be flexible enough to fit into his 'juego de posecion' philosophy. Watch this space......

I expect that Zabaleta may once again get a final run out in a City shirt and will undoubtedly he will receive the applause he so richly deserves. His humility, honesty, decency and all round professionalism shone through during his post match interviews after the victory over WBA - if anyone wants to look for a footballing role model than you couldn't do better than consider Pablo Javier Zabaleta Girod. The emotional tributes that were paid to him after the game and the esteem in which he is held by his teammates and the fans was plain to see last Tuesday.

We thank him for his loyal service and he will always be welcome at Manchester City Football Club.

#CityLegend #OurZab

It has been a testing season. Starting like a house on fire the cracks started to show as teams adapted and weaknesses (often due to injury but sometime self inflicted) were exposed. Injuries and suspensions took their toll but I have to say that my scepticism about Pep's comments regarding his players 'not being strong enough in either box' has been put to one side. We were profligate in front of goal at times and unable to be secure at the back and both cost us crucial points - the two dropped against Boro at home encapsulates this for me with Aguero missing a golden opportunity to make it 2-0 as the clock wound down....only for minutes later City to concede at the other end. And then there were the decisions by the officials notably the failure to ward the penalties for Walker's shove on Sterling (penalty, red card, probably 3-1) and Milner's clattering of ....ooh, Sterling again.....against the dippers (penalty, red card etc...).

But enough of this - City are featuring again on Sky's Super Sunday as they attempt to squeeze every last moment of excitement out of the Premier League season. They will be hoping for everything to go down to the wire whilst I, like most of us I suspect, hope that we go 0-3 up inside 15 minutes and end the game with a clean sheet.

Come on City!!!
 
A big thankyou Skoorb from me for this and all your other MDT's throughout the season.
Always great stuff and very much appreciated.
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I second that Rising, the quality of previews has been second to none and enormously enjoyable to read and creates the debates and an opening to all the matches, thank you Skoorb. :091: :091: :091: :091: :091: :091: :091:
 
Many thanks Skoorb for your deep insight and thoughtful writings pre-match all season. 0-3 after 15 will do nicely, come on City, let's not fail at the final hurdle.
 
http://www.manchestercity.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=581565

Your previews Skoorb are the best, by far on the Vital Network. You have a certain knack of describing scenario's and scenes like a poet would do.

A heart felt and huge thank you for supporting VMC and :052: (what else can I say).

I really and sincerely hope you'll be writing similar material next season?

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:003: Aww shuck guys. Thank you for those kind words, encouragement and putting up with my 'off piste' ramblings, digressions and occasional rants! :062: Only every delivered with a deep love for MCFC and a passion for our little community.

Looking forward to next season already - let's finish this one on a high and silence some of those 'no trophy in his first season' the-record's-stuck nay-sayers!

No plans to stand down T but happy to step aside if someone else wants to contribute and go :-)
 
Skoorb - 20/5/2017 06:50

No plans to stand down T but happy to step aside if someone else wants to contribute and go :-)

If I had to put a transfer fee on you then it would be in the £1m region. As I can't see any bids coming in then IMO Skoorb you are not going anywhere :049:
 
Shut it cakeboy, or we'll arrange a transfer to the Special One - One :047:



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Jon Moss has the responsibility of overseeing the Blues final game of the season.

Let's hope he has a good one and does a better job than Kevin Friend did in the reverse fixture of dealing with Watford's chronic and systematic persistent foul play :018:
 
I'd like to add my thanks to those on this thread to Skoorb for doing the match previews this 'term'.

However a quibble - I realise that objectivity is often the first casualty when one takes up allegiance of a particular club, but if you gave PG an A- for finishing (hopefully) 3rd what would you give Conte at Chelsea? Or Eddie Howe in the Cherry Orchard, or Sean Dyche out on the wiley, windy Moor - let alone Mancini and Pellegrini for what they did at City, especially the latter?

 
I was looking at his performance purely in an isolated bubble but for argument sake Conte would get an A+ with a bonus + if he wins the FA Cup. Pellegrini would have gotten the same in the 2013/14 two trophy winning season.

You could argue that Clements at Swansea also deserves an A for what he achieved at Swansea and even Sam Allardyce the same for his success at Palace - all relative grades based on their circumstances.

Hell, everyone can have an A except Maureen who gets a D and has to resist the entire year because he is a moaning twat who hasn't stopped banging on on recent weeks about how hard his life is, how many games his poor, underfunded team has to play. He would have been given an E but for the League Cup win and getting his tired, injury-ravaged squad to the Biggest European Cup Final Ever.
 
My thanks too Skoorb, always an enjoyable read even if on occasion on some points I disagree. Not many I might add.
A question for you, what grading do you give to the Celtic manager ( cannot even be bothered to name the idiot ) for carrying on like a two bob watch because his team ended up winning a league with no opposition to speak of.?
What a plonker.
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Skoorb - 20/5/2017 19:32

I was looking at his performance purely in an isolated bubble but for argument sake Conte would get an A+ with a bonus + if he wins the FA Cup. Pellegrini would have gotten the same in the 2013/14 two trophy winning season.

You could argue that Clements at Swansea also deserves an A for what he achieved at Swansea and even Sam Allardyce the same for his success at Palace - all relative grades based on their circumstances.

Hell, everyone can have an A except Maureen who gets a D and has to resist the entire year because he is a moaning twat who hasn't stopped banging on on recent weeks about how hard his life is, how many games his poor, underfunded team has to play. He would have been given an E but for the League Cup win and getting his tired, injury-ravaged squad to the Biggest European Cup Final Ever.

Conté would get an A+ if he won the FA Cup and had been involved in European competition, he wasn't and therefore had an advantage over those that were and therefore gets a B+, but Chelsea Spuds and ourselves played the entertaining stuff, whilst Pool did it on occasions when it suited them and what used to be boring boring City, turns out that title has left the City but only just - Over to you Maureen.
 
OziMan - 21/5/2017 03:44

My thanks too Skoorb, always an enjoyable read even if on occasion on some points I disagree. Not many I might add.
A question for you, what grading do you give to the Celtic manager ( cannot even be bothered to name the idiot ) for carrying on like a two bob watch because his team ended up winning a league with no opposition to speak of.?
What a plonker.
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Thanks - my random thoughts are only that - mine and often off on some wild personal tangent because I can't discuss football with Mrs Skoorb and all my offspring are absent. Her eyes glaze over at the mere hint of football on tv...... :015: :022:

As for the anonymous Celtic manager (I too have no idea what his name is and can't be asked to find out).......given the paucity of any real competition but taking account of the fact that you still have to have some resilience to deliver results over a long season I am going to award him a C+.

And Buzz makes a good point about Conte and the absence of European football distraction on his grading. May have to be sent for regrading.
 
Pep has said that we will close the Gap to Chelsea if we score more goals, I think you will find Pep that if we conceded less and the goals tally stayed the same, they we would be way up there.
 
Buzz Lightyear - 21/5/2017 07:15

Pep has said that we will close the Gap to Chelsea if we score more goals, I think you will find Pep that if we conceded less and the goals tally stayed the same, they we would be way up there.

apologises to Pep I was picking this up from the Newsnow Manchester City from a headline there and they have misquoted him , surprise surprise.

I have just seen the presser, what he actually said we needed to score more goals at home, I assume this refers to the 7 draws we had and converting those into wins could have put us in contention.

His biggest problem was the way the refs are in this country and I assume that he means by this that they let a lot slide (what he really means is they were piss poor and made some shit decisions or no decisions at all)
 
Fancy the media being selective with their interpretation of what has been said eh?

Coded messages - he knows how prickly and sensitive the FA are to criticism of their perfect officials.

The hacks on Sunday Supplement this am had me in stitches when they referred to how they had "strewn his (Pep's) path with rose petals" when he arrived in English football :039: :039:

I fear this is the mind playing tricks on them and the separation of time from events clouding their memories. Sam Wallace claiming they welcomed with open arms whereas my recollection is that they were hugely sceptical and had that air of waiting for "the greatest coach of a generation" (his words) to come a cropper. Neil Ashton to be fair was at least saying how he admired Pep sticking with his philosophy and continues to try and do things differently (rather than the same old same old)
 
It was a huge coup for the premier, just as either Neymar or Messi venture to try their luck in a tougher league, whereas currently they have maybe 6 or 7 tough games throughout the season and can virtually play a weakened team against the lower placed teams and therefore look good in most others
 
Skoorb - 21/5/2017 10:13

Fancy the media being selective with their interpretation of what has been said eh?

Coded messages - he knows how prickly and sensitive the FA are to criticism of their perfect officials.

The hacks on Sunday Supplement this am had me in stitches when they referred to how they had "strewn his (Pep's) path with rose petals" when he arrived in English football :039: :039:

I fear this is the mind playing tricks on them and the separation of time from events clouding their memories. Sam Wallace claiming they welcomed with open arms whereas my recollection is that they were hugely sceptical and had that air of waiting for "the greatest coach of a generation" (his words) to come a cropper. Neil Ashton to be fair was at least saying how he admired Pep sticking with his philosophy and continues to try and do things differently (rather than the same old same old)


I saw the programme this morning, as I usually do, just to see what their verdict was this week, as that's how regularly it changes. :026: