vs Elche CF original official match thread
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paz1967
Vital Football Legend
yeah i agree, prob guilty myself of that sometimes, tho being aware that im guilty of it sometimes hopefully balances it somewhat haha
To be fair his replacement, Conor Bradley, was excellent for them and has a bright future.
seasider red
Vital 1st Team Regular
May as well my twopenneth in this debate for what it's worth. Every player has strengths, weaknesses & will make mistakes. The best players have strengths that outweigh the weaknesses & make fewer mistakes than others. It is natural that young players make more mistakes than their more experienced & therefore more consistent colleagues.
Murrillo is a young players finding his way in the game, & will therefore make mistakes along the way while learning his trade. He also has the usual strengths & weaknesses it just so happens that one of his perceived weakness is in a key area for players playing in his position IE heading the ball. The hope is that as he gains experience he will find ways to mitigate this weakness with reading the game better & taking up better positions.
He is gaining that experience with us & we can only hope that he finds the mitigations sooner rather than later because there is no doubt that his other attributes are exceptional. It appears that the management are more than willing to accept the shortcoming in exchange for the other qualities he brings. In other words he is serving his apprenticeship at Forest & as soon as he has served his time he will be away, this is inevitable & acceptable to the club because it will generate a huge profit when he moves on.
The thing that I don't like in all this is that some people seem to refuse to see or accept that he makes mistakes when other what you might describe as less talented players are castigated every time they misplace a pass, mistime a tackle or misjudge a header. Look at the flak Johnno had to take from some while he was learning his trade same applies to Ryan Yates who is some people's eye's has no right to be a footballer at all. I know Joe Worrall made one or two high profile mistakes & now looks as if he is going to have move on, I'm not a stats man but I would be surprised if he made the number of mistakes Murrillo has made.
Football fans have always been the same & I'm no different, we all have our favourite players & find it difficult to recognise their shortcomings while at the same time seeing other minor faults in others. Football is a game of opinions & we all have our own which differ from person to person & I suppose debating those opinions is one of the things we love about it all.
Murrillo is a young players finding his way in the game, & will therefore make mistakes along the way while learning his trade. He also has the usual strengths & weaknesses it just so happens that one of his perceived weakness is in a key area for players playing in his position IE heading the ball. The hope is that as he gains experience he will find ways to mitigate this weakness with reading the game better & taking up better positions.
He is gaining that experience with us & we can only hope that he finds the mitigations sooner rather than later because there is no doubt that his other attributes are exceptional. It appears that the management are more than willing to accept the shortcoming in exchange for the other qualities he brings. In other words he is serving his apprenticeship at Forest & as soon as he has served his time he will be away, this is inevitable & acceptable to the club because it will generate a huge profit when he moves on.
The thing that I don't like in all this is that some people seem to refuse to see or accept that he makes mistakes when other what you might describe as less talented players are castigated every time they misplace a pass, mistime a tackle or misjudge a header. Look at the flak Johnno had to take from some while he was learning his trade same applies to Ryan Yates who is some people's eye's has no right to be a footballer at all. I know Joe Worrall made one or two high profile mistakes & now looks as if he is going to have move on, I'm not a stats man but I would be surprised if he made the number of mistakes Murrillo has made.
Football fans have always been the same & I'm no different, we all have our favourite players & find it difficult to recognise their shortcomings while at the same time seeing other minor faults in others. Football is a game of opinions & we all have our own which differ from person to person & I suppose debating those opinions is one of the things we love about it all.
weejockmcplop
Vital Champions League
I literally have video of Murillo at Joe Biden's house with a hundred photos of famous politicians, and next to each one is the wrong name, and he's forcing Biden to learn them.
forestfire_59
Vital 1st Team Regular
I agree with you about the rant as I was a bit over the top. I just find wolfies obsessions annoying and absurd and I call it out. Nothing against him personally, I just hate pretentiousness. Every decent manager has a plan A and a plan B, for when plan A doesn’t work. If you just have 1 plan other teams will suss that out within a few weeks.
Not having flexible playing systems gets you relegated, having a regimented 3+2 defence system does. Horses for courses and all that.
Murillo isn’t the tallest player on the planet, but then again John McGovern could well have been Lloyds armrest. Being opinionated is one thing, lacking balance in your critique is quite another and is tiresome and annoying. He could well write his “report” before the match even started and you just know it’s going to include Murillo.
forestfire_59
Vital 1st Team Regular
BlackGold
Vital Football Hero
Heard similar, young Murillo playing both sides of the fence, CIA style.
There are whispers that Murillo has links to MI6; and any covert insurgency on the Ukraine-Russian border is headed by our Brazilian stopper.
Hopefully the spooks have their wherewithal tuned, as everything in the war is Murillo fault.
paz1967
Vital Football Legend
We might also notice actually that his 'apparent weakness' of heading the ball is something that is slowly being removed from the game anyway :)
paz1967
Vital Football Legend
Mourinhos agents here next week sooo watch this space. I suspect this one will actually be down to our manager this time and I will back whatever happens.. having said that Mourinho is still probabaly a draw for some players, even in Turkey
Basha73
Vital Football Legend
Not unless they are tripling the original offer. €12m is beyond derisory…
Pope John XXIII
Vital Football Legend
Fenerbavhe's record transfer is €19.5m, which they have already paid out in this window.
They would have to absolutely smash that for us to do anything other than make a significant PSR loss on the player
I assume they have some rich new owner splashing cash about, but if they want to compete in Europe they'll have to meet Uefa rules and on Turkish league income they won't do that spending the money they would need for Sangare.
He has every chance of being one of our best players this season. We have no reason to let him go, he has no reason to want to drop down leagues
They would have to absolutely smash that for us to do anything other than make a significant PSR loss on the player
I assume they have some rich new owner splashing cash about, but if they want to compete in Europe they'll have to meet Uefa rules and on Turkish league income they won't do that spending the money they would need for Sangare.
He has every chance of being one of our best players this season. We have no reason to let him go, he has no reason to want to drop down leagues
Basha73
Vital Football Legend
If he had wanted Champions League then he could have stayed where he was. The fact he is with us shows that he wants to make it in a bigger league.
paz1967
Vital Football Legend
time will tell, he looks ok in pre season but he looked ok early doors under Coops but just didnt rise any level at all. Clealy looks 'very' good in a slow paced game but still big question marks right now as to whether he can make the jump n do it at prem pace week in week out. Our only evidence so far says no but there might be some mitiigating reasons so we shall see. Its a bit of a risk but so is replacing him
