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jokerman

Vital 1st Team Regular
Bit hard to threaten setting up your own party and threaten Republicans critical of you with running Trumpians against them in the Republican nomination process.
 

Therealwaldo

Vital Squad Member
That theory has got legs.

Whilst he couldn't stand himself as an independent if impeachment holds, there's no reason Ivanka or any of his other kids could stand instead. There's easily 20m loonies that would go with him at the moment, but as others have mentioned it could also be a lot more.

You could even have a Ted Cruz type could stand as an independent with the orange one's endorsement, which leaves the republicans in a bit of a pickle frankly.

The republicans, and right wing media in general have lied and lied and lied for years. Fox news was brought about to basically be a propaganda wing of the Republican Party, and has been spreading hate and nonsense calling it news for years.

Now, if you believed this diet of lies and opinions presented as facts over the last 20 years, then it's a fairly rational position to take to believe the far right lies that Trump gained power with.

The morally right thing to do in this situation, is to impeach Trump. The fact he called on and encouraged his followers (both overtly and dog whistle) to storm the capitol is pretty much not in question, which means he should be convicted.

So, the republicans can choose to impeach, distance themselves from Trump, take the loss in 2024 due to the Trump spoiling effect, and hope sanity returns to the world over the next 4-8 years that makes the far right look more insane than it does now.

OR, you make peace with him, and basically sell your soul to the far far right again, as they did for the 2016 election, to try and win power, to push through more tax cuts and remove even more regulations and safeguards, to basically undo everything that Biden/Harris accomplish during their tenure.

But then they risk losing Texas forever as it's on the verge of swinging blue, not to mention the high chances of Puerto Rico and DC being granted statehood, which would vote blue, which would basically make the reps ever winning an election again being very difficult indeed.

So what do they do?
You seem to be overlooking the obvious. It doesn’t matter what the Republicans do. The Democrats have a majority.
 

Buddha

Vital 1st Team Regular
Perhaps someone will assassinate Trump.

Don't reckon his wife or any of his kids would be able to mount a serious campaign for Presidency if he wasn't about.
 

Jerryattrick

Vital 1st Team Regular
That theory has got legs.

Whilst he couldn't stand himself as an independent if impeachment holds, there's no reason Ivanka or any of his other kids could stand instead. There's easily 20m loonies that would go with him at the moment, but as others have mentioned it could also be a lot more.

You could even have a Ted Cruz type could stand as an independent with the orange one's endorsement, which leaves the republicans in a bit of a pickle frankly.

The republicans, and right wing media in general have lied and lied and lied for years. Fox news was brought about to basically be a propaganda wing of the Republican Party, and has been spreading hate and nonsense calling it news for years.

Now, if you believed this diet of lies and opinions presented as facts over the last 20 years, then it's a fairly rational position to take to believe the far right lies that Trump gained power with.

The morally right thing to do in this situation, is to impeach Trump. The fact he called on and encouraged his followers (both overtly and dog whistle) to storm the capitol is pretty much not in question, which means he should be convicted.

So, the republicans can choose to impeach, distance themselves from Trump, take the loss in 2024 due to the Trump spoiling effect, and hope sanity returns to the world over the next 4-8 years that makes the far right look more insane than it does now.

OR, you make peace with him, and basically sell your soul to the far far right again, as they did for the 2016 election, to try and win power, to push through more tax cuts and remove even more regulations and safeguards, to basically undo everything that Biden/Harris accomplish during their tenure.

But then they risk losing Texas forever as it's on the verge of swinging blue, not to mention the high chances of Puerto Rico and DC being granted statehood, which would vote blue, which would basically make the reps ever winning an election again being very difficult indeed.

So what do they do?

So you rightly acknowledge that Fox are an arm of the republicans but do not see that other outlets (CNN) etc are the arm of the democrats and also lie all of the time.

Never thought to look into why 75m people legally voted in one direction or looked into who and what the democratic party really are and who backs them?

Both partys are right wing compared to even the Tory party here.
 
So you rightly acknowledge that Fox are an arm of the republicans but do not see that other outlets (CNN) etc are the arm of the democrats and also lie all of the time.

Never thought to look into why 75m people legally voted in one direction or looked into who and what the democratic party really are and who backs them?

Both partys are right wing compared to even the Tory party here.
Legally?
 

LancsGordoRoad

Vital 1st Team Regular
So you rightly acknowledge that Fox are an arm of the republicans but do not see that other outlets (CNN) etc are the arm of the democrats and also lie all of the time.

Never thought to look into why 75m people legally voted in one direction or looked into who and what the democratic party really are and who backs them?

Both partys are right wing compared to even the Tory party here.

It`s amazing how overtly partisan some of the main America broadcasters have become. Your examples are spot on, Jerry. People here , including me at times, abuse the BBC and other UK media but, in all honestly and thankfully, our media have so far managed to stay, by comparison with Fox/CNN etc., very neutral.

Would be interesting to get Jokerman`s take on who he feels is the most balanced of the TV MSM in America. My American friends tell me that ABC is comparatively neutral ?
 
So you rightly acknowledge that Fox are an arm of the republicans but do not see that other outlets (CNN) etc are the arm of the democrats and also lie all of the time.
Because that isn't true mate.

Fox news was set up, literally, as a conservative propagandist wing of the republican party. If you want examples from the last month, just look at their apologist stance over the sedition riot compared with the grief they gave Biden over wearing a fucking watch...

The fact that other news stations in the US continue to report the actual news, and criticising Fox, does not mean in contrast that they are the propagandist wing of the dems or the left.

I agree with your point over divide and rule, however the divide isn't right and "left", it's reality and fantasy. Make people think they can't believe anything (as they have done with you), and then authoritarians win.