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Trashbat

Vital Squad Member
Can I recommend catching up with 'Storming the Capitol' from ITV and shown last night at 10.45. It followed a British cameraman and reporter as they moved with the mob that forced their way toward the heart of the building.
Observe the colour profile of those taking part. Listen to the rhetoric, see the tooled up militia men in combats and watch the organisers orchestrating.
Possibly answers one or two of your questions above.
I watched it. Certainly wasn’t a peaceful protest like some were claiming. Vast majority of those people were undeniably nutcases at best.
 

Gills 58

Vital 1st Team Regular
So their crime was being white?
You know full well what he means.

Btw, being anti Trump doesn't mean we think Biden and the Dems are saviours and squeaky clean. Way to the right of me for a start and also in the hands of big business. Certainly better than Trump though, who is imo a fascist and a disaster re Climate Change and for the people he conned into thinking he cared about them.
 

Jerryattrick

Vital 1st Team Regular
You know full well what he means.

Btw, being anti Trump doesn't mean we think Biden and the Dems are saviours and squeaky clean. Way to the right of me for a start and also in the hands of big business. Certainly better than Trump though, who is imo a fascist and a disaster re Climate Change and for the people he conned into thinking he cared about them.

Agreed but because someone does not like trump do they have to believe lies from the other side who have along with their media just been trying to get trump out by lying for four years.
We now have the dems banning free speech and going for suppression of the opposition.

The assumption that that trump supporters are all white - is that not racist? People are allowing themselves to be divided based on the media they believe.

Left wing fascism or right wing fascism seems to be the choice of the day. Pick either side and then hate and lie and deride the 'other' side as long as one never tries to think for themselves then its all good lol.
 

Jerryattrick

Vital 1st Team Regular
My wife who is a retired clinical psychologist thinks Trump is a pathological narcissist

Agreed, trump is solely for trump. Luckily he is lazy so never follows anything through.

Mind you he has murdered multiple thousands less through military conflict than the dems.

Both sides are evil but at least we know what trump is doing lol.
 

Jerryattrick

Vital 1st Team Regular
Sky news w*nking over Trumps impeachment.

What is hilarious about the frantic move an impeachment when trump only has a few days left is the real reason.
If a president is impeached twice then he cannot be president again.
This is what the dems are really after along with republicans who want to run instead of trump in four years time lol.
So pathetic listening to them and the media pretending there are morals etc in us politics. Cannot do different things when you all are paid for by the same people.
 

Gills 58

Vital 1st Team Regular
Agreed but because someone does not like trump do they have to believe lies from the other side who have along with their media just been trying to get trump out by lying for four years.
We now have the dems banning free speech and going for suppression of the opposition.

The assumption that that trump supporters are all white - is that not racist? People are allowing themselves to be divided based on the media they believe.

Left wing fascism or right wing fascism seems to be the choice of the day. Pick either side and then hate and lie and deride the 'other' side as long as one never tries to think for themselves then its all good lol.
You are descending into BBC type 50/50 false equivalence imo.
 

Jerryattrick

Vital 1st Team Regular
He can't Tweet about the unfairness of it all either.
So you are happy for the curtailing of free speech and bannings, especially by unelected powers?

It used to be the left being suppressed and curtailed in the 50s 60s and 70s so i have seen or experienced it personally. In other words it may be hard but be careful what you wish for as tomorrow it could be us.
 

Gills 58

Vital 1st Team Regular
Name the false equivalence then. People need to find the truth about both sides instead of just listening to their comfort zone.
You just come across to me as BBC style " they are all as bad as eachother" which I regard as false equivalence and lazy. I can't "prove" this Tarian style. These are not binary choices or "all the same". Imo there are shades of grey. Obviously I can't "prove" this. Just saying how you come across.

Scepticism and caution are fine but you seem a bit obsessed. We could start a long scrap about what we regard as "freedom" but we'd just go round in circles.
 

Jerryattrick

Vital 1st Team Regular
You just come across to me as BBC style " they are all as bad as eachother" which I regard as false equivalence and lazy. I can't "prove" this Tarian style. These are not binary choices or "all the same". Imo there are shades of grey. Obviously I can't "prove" this. Just saying how you come across.

Scepticism and caution are fine but you seem a bit obsessed. We could start a long scrap about what we regard as "freedom" but we'd just go round in circles.
Difference is that I am prepared to lay out the issues and actions of both parties based on actions not on perceived actions and propaganda. To me its just history, i like the facts.
 

valenciagill

Vital Football Hero
delwhat is about to happen has been planned for decades. Since Kennedy was murdered due to the fact that he was about to put the federal reserve into gold standard Which would make it impossible for the "deep state" to move money about.
The Italian government , who have been complicit, a long with the Vatican, in trying to get rid of trump, have signed an affidavit (trying to save face when the shit hits the fan), confirming that the election was fraudulent. They had been sharing information through the leonardo satellite. This affidavit was deliberate presented to Congress before the 6 jan, so by ignoring it has led them all to be charged with treason, as they ratified Biden knowing he didnt win. Up to 80% of Republican and Democrat Congress people are corrupt. Over the years the trump administration has been lining up people to immediately take the place of these people when they are dismissed/ arrested. This has been in the planning a long time. Trump has the 200 generals in support . They watched the Washington riots to make sure things went as planned.
Hard to believe but let's wait and see as most of u see trump as u are meant to see him , as the bad guy. You have been trained / brainwashed by deep state with social media/ news channels/ newspapers to see him as the evil one.
https://www.ansa.it/english/news/20...aft_57cdcc1f-9c8a-40d0-912c-4e5d1092d305.html
 

Gills 58

Vital 1st Team Regular
Difference is that I am prepared to lay out the issues and actions of both parties based on actions not on perceived actions and propaganda. To me its just history, i like the facts.
What are "facts"? Trump says it's a fact he won the election. Do you agree?

Imo Trumps actions are in a different league compared to his predecessors (terrible though many of them were). Depends how one looks at his behaviour, actions and intentions. I'll dive out ofthis now as we wiĺl go round in circles and I don't want another Tarian style "debate".
 

Jerryattrick

Vital 1st Team Regular
What are "facts"? Trump says it's a fact he won the election. Do you agree?

Imo Trumps actions are in a different league compared to his predecessors (terrible though many of them were). Depends how one looks at his behaviour, actions and intentions. I'll dive out ofthis now as we wiĺl go round in circles and I don't want another Tarian style "debate".
Unless some evidence is put forward then obviously he did not win the election lol.
At the same time he did not have assistance from or conspire with Russia.
Both sides continually lie and fool people so its a case of investigating things yourself and then we probably need to reassess once again when other facts come to light.

I am nearer being a trot or anarcho socialist (depending on my mood) so don't think either side are worth a light lol.
 

Baghdad_Rob

Vital Squad Member
It took him a VERY, VERY long time but Trump has finally condemned the violence at the Capitol.

Why couldn’t do the presidential thing sooner?
Wierd. Last week in the aftermath Buddha posted the below asking if his supporters will feel Trump had betrayed this supporters.

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And even Gills58 commented that Trump slagged off his supporters and threw them under the bus.

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So did Trump condemn the violence just now or last week in the aftermath?