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So none of the Covid deaths are due to Covid?!? Suicides are not up at all, from what I have heard.

Agreed on the cancer patients though.
It's a difficult one - the small print says "Deaths FOR ANY REASON within 28 days of a positive test".

However, in the spring, we only had testing capacity for patients admitted to hospital due to covid. Therefore a very high % of "covid deaths" were exclusively from covid.

Ultimately, all covid data is built on the PCR tests. Alarmingly, our government doesn't know the false positive rate of these tests which it is using up and down the country, however it is estimated to be around 1% as Matt Hancock grudgingly admitted in a radio interview. This sounds small but when you're carrying out 300,000 tests each day, this accounts for around 3000 false positive test results. As tests carried out increase, the FPR can only increase due to the pressure that the labs are put under.

During the summer we rolled out community testing for whoever wants/needs a test, aka pillar 2 testing. The vast majority of hospital and care home patients are also regularly tested for covid, regardless of their condition. The issue with this, therefore, is people are unfortunately dying from a variety of illnesses as they always have, but if they've had a positive test result (possible false positive) in the last 28 days then they will be added to the daily "covid deaths" number. Basically, in March/April/May, pretty much all "covid deaths" were actually from covid. Since the summer, with mass testing, it has been very difficult to tell who has died from covid and who has died with covid just by looking at the data.

This makes it very hard for us to get a grasp of the impact covid is currently having on all-cause mortality in the UK. There was obviously a very large spike in March and April when the pandemic took hold but up until a few weeks ago our all-cause mortality had been on a par with the 5 yearly average. In the last few weeks, we have seen a small excess emerge away from the baseline, this is likely driven by covid deaths in the North West, North East and Midlands. These areas weren't hit as hard at the start of the pandemic in Spring. London was hit really hard in the Spring, and this is why their covid deaths are so low now - they have reached a level of community immunity which prevents a large-scale outbreak occuring.
 
Well actually my preferred MP in my constituency was a Tory and a very good local voice of the people MP too.
Am I happy with my MP- reasonably yes.
Am I happy with the government- No, a blundering shambles.
Would your lot have handled this situation better- Couldnt have done worse but then again most likely would have done.
Question time over, stick to football.

So you voted for a party that compltely ignored the 2016 pandemic report?

Therefore, you are directly responsible for the failure of this government to tackle the pandemic correctly.

You are also respinsible for Boris Johnson being PM.

You are also responsible for Dominic Cummings completely undermining public confidence in lockdown.

You are also responsuble for £12 billion of public funds being wasted on private sector contracts with no oversight.

You are also responsible for the appaling utterly racist Windrush scandal.

You are also responsible for Priti Patel's bullying.

Am I correct?
 
So you voted for a party that compltely ignored the 2016 pandemic report?

Therefore, you are directly responsible for the failure of this government to tackle the pandemic correctly.

You are also respinsible for Boris Johnson being PM.

You are also responsible for Dominic Cummings completely undermining public confidence in lockdown.

You are also responsuble for £12 billion of public funds being wasted on private sector contracts with no oversight.

You are also responsible for the appaling utterly racist Windrush scandal.

You are also responsible for Priti Patel's bullying.

Am I correct?
All this and the useless tossers were still judged by an overwhelming majority as a better option than the other lot. Says it all really now please keep to arguing about football
 
You are also responsible for Boris Johnson illegally proroguing parliament.

You are also responsible for Boris Johnson lying to the Queen.

You are also responsible for the A-levels grading debacle.

You are also responsible for the complete failure of test and trace.

Am I correct?
 
All this and the useless tossers were still judged by an overwhelming majority as a better option than the other lot. Says it all really now please keep to arguing about football

Well, you voted for them as well!

Time for a re-think and not just believing what the right-wing media feeds you?

My point is, though, you need to take personal responsibility. You seem to be avoiding that.
 
Well, you voted for them as well!

Time for a re-think and not just believing what the right-wing media feeds you?

My point is, though, you need to take personal responsibility. You seem to be avoiding that.
In much the same way you should take responsibility for the financial car crash previous socialist governments have left behind to such an extent that they make themselves unelectable.
End of subject.
 
In much the same way you should take responsibility for the financial car crash previous socialist governments have left behind to such an extent that they make themselves unelectable.
End of subject.

But that's simply not true. The Tories have caused more public debt since 2005 than every Labour government in history. Look it up.

You've bought another right-wing lie. The Tories are completely financially incompetent.

You really need to do some actual research and reading.

But anyway, do you take rrsponsibility for all the points I've raised above? It's a simple question and my understanding is that the Tories are the "party of personal respinsibility".

So it shouldn't be difficult for you to say "yes"?
 
Cat got your tongue, johnolbe?

You want to take personal responsibility for your actions, right?
 
The tories have trebled the national debt despite austerity in their 10 years in power and that was before coronavirus.