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The extent to which Putin is shielding his people from the truth is telling. Add to that the propaganda being spewed out and the 15 year prison sentences for standing against the invasion.
 
The extent to which Putin is shielding his people from the truth is telling. Add to that the propaganda being spewed out and the 15 year prison sentences for standing against the invasion.

BAU Nick in a repressed tightly and highly controlled country...no surprises at these actions.....people ruled by fear
 
What sprang to mind trying to look at things from Russias perspective is are the West and USA in particular jointly underhandedly posing a real threat to Russia and us plebes are being played one and in fact Russia and Putin are so so frightened that they are resorting to this carnage.

Nothing in this world is impossible to believe .

I dont personally believe the West is that paranoid as to want to wipe out Russia as an end game...but it seems Putin does!

Do we really really know what all the hidden agendas are in this world?

We believe the Russsians and China are suppresssion regimes and they believe we are corrupt capitalist regimes.... and I put it to you...are we really as free as we think in the West?

Now that should open some debate!

We are all controlled by our governments. It's just done in different ways. Our government had us locked up for 2 years and has done nothing to stop a cost of living crisis.

Apparently there isn't any money yet they have just chucked half a billion at Ukraine for a war.

Our lying government is pure scum, they are just doing it in a different way. The average man is finished in this country. The governments, big pharmaceuticals and the elite 1% have made sure of that.

Blair and Bush ain't any better either. The Iraq War was biggest lie you will ever see. That was all about oil and Bush finishing off what his old man started in the gulf war.

I find it embarrassing that in this day and age insecure men start wars killing innocent people yet get away with it. How is that any different to a serial killer?

Any leader that does, should be punished and removed from power immediately.

There are too many lunatics in high powered positions. There has to be stricter rules on who leads a country.
 
Unfortunately Wars make a shit load of money.

The yanks have spent 6.5 trillion on wars in the last 20 years. That's just one country.

Where there is weapons there is serious money.
 
Hahahaha. Putin, after being sanctioned and a lot of countries have banned exports to and imports from Russian, is talking about banning imports and imports. This is so it looks like it was his decision.
 
Have I been watching too much Homeland or would there be military assests in Ukraine for advisory and intelligence purposes. If there are that's dodgy if Putin finds out or does he expect it anyway.
I don't expect an answer from USAF, he thinks he is 007 !!
 
It seems the UK has only sent anti tank weapons to Ukraine and is only now considering anti aircraft systems.
Poland wanted to send 30 plus Mig fighter jets and the USA said they would backfill those planes. But Poland wanted to send the Migs via a USAF base in Germany which was rejected by the US.
Poland wants to help but doesn't want to get dragged into the war alone.
I don't get how all this hardware is deemed as not being involved in the war ?

The Russians bombed a children's hospital today and the USA condemned it as barbaric. Are sanctions a strong enough response to a barbarian ?
 
It seems the UK has only sent anti tank weapons to Ukraine and is only now considering anti aircraft systems.
Poland wanted to send 30 plus Mig fighter jets and the USA said they would backfill those planes. But Poland wanted to send the Migs via a USAF base in Germany which was rejected by the US.
Poland wants to help but doesn't want to get dragged into the war alone.
I don't get how all this hardware is deemed as not being involved in the war ?

The Russians bombed a children's hospital today and the USA condemned it as barbaric. Are sanctions a strong enough response to a barbarian ?

Nobody wants to get fully involved. They are scared of how Putin will react. Which is understandable.

Putin will be angry behind the scenes. The war isn't going to plan and the Russian Ruble has dropped 10%.

It's the average Russian who doesn't want anything to do with the war you have to feel for.
 
I wonder what Putins daughters think of their dad and his WAR!...especially the doctor....

Maria Vorontsova aka Mariya Vladimirovna Putina, was born 28 April 1985. She is a Russian pediatric endocrinologist and the firstborn daughter of Russian President Vladimir Putin. so she deals daily with sick children!

Katerina Tikhonova is a Russian scientist, manager, and former acrobatic dancer. She is the second daughter of Russian president Vladimir Putin.
 
I wonder what Putins daughters think of their dad and his WAR!...especially the doctor....

Maria Vorontsova aka Mariya Vladimirovna Putina, was born 28 April 1985. She is a Russian pediatric endocrinologist and the firstborn daughter of Russian President Vladimir Putin. so she deals daily with sick children!

Katerina Tikhonova is a Russian scientist, manager, and former acrobatic dancer. She is the second daughter of Russian president Vladimir Putin.

Most Russians are fully behind Putin; they believe that he has restored Russians standing in the World and that this military action was forced upon them by Nato and a compliant Ukrainian Government that was put in place by the West' every day they are being bombarded with this message from all quarters of the media - it is a 'necessary' action to protect Mother Russia.

Soon, the Russians will use chemical weapons and blame it on the Ukrainians - it will be the final proof to all Russians that the 'action' was entirely justified as otherwise, it would be Russian bodies pilling up.....then slowly but surely they'll bring out the casualty figures.

Putin has gone all-in on this war now, and if we were being fed the daily diet of propaganda they are, we'd be supporting him too.

As he has struggled on the battlefield he's enforcing more and more intensive area-wide bombing campaigns, he'll get ever more desperate unless a deal can be done that allows him to claim 'victory'...

Ukraine will have to recognise the eastern regions as new states and that Crimea is and always did belong to Russia, and last but not least it will have to acclaim its neutrality,.

I cannot see any other way out unless Putin is disposed or has a sudden heart attack - the problem is those around him are just as crazy as he is, so even his removal is unlikely to end this quickly.

Many Russians are glad to see the big corps withdrawing, they believe it will end Western consumerism and influence.
 
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Even now, the EU cannot stop tying itself in red tape knots - wankers.

There is no fast track procedure for Ukrainian EU membership, Dutch PM says
It is important that Ukraine has applied for membership of the European Union, but there is no fast-track procedure for accession, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said today.
Ukraine applied for fast EU membership shortly after the Russian invasion two weeks ago.
"What's important is that Ukraine has asked to be member of the EU (...) there is no fast track procedure to become member of the EU," Mr Rutte told reporters on entering a summit of EU leaders.
 
An excerpt from the Economist:

https://www.economist.com/britain/2022/03/05/the-rise-and-fall-of-londongrad



Now, however, the money is too hot. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has led to sanctions on a host of Russian businesses, some with links to Britain. Moves against some oligarchs based in Britain are expected to follow. Unexplained wealth orders, whereby people with suspicious quantities of cash are meant to show how they earned it, and face forfeit if they cannot, will be more tightly enforced. Golden visas will be scrapped. Potential transparency reforms mean that the ultimate beneficiaries of “Matryoshka doll” shell companies must be revealed. Money was stored in London to keep it both hidden and free from the clutches of the Russian state; having it made public and squeezed by the British one defies the point of moving it. When things become too hot in the banya, a jump into the plunge pool is required. It can be painful.

As anyone who has been on the business end of a leaf-beating can attest, temperature swings can cause a wave of euphoria. But it is often brief. Anyone expecting Britain to clean up its act post-Londongrad is mistaken. Lack of enforcement rather than lack of rules explains Britain’s lax attitude to funny money. Its government spends a little under £1bn annually on solving financial crime, but money-laundering costs its economy about 100 times that. Badly paid lawyers and investigators working on behalf of the government are steam-rolled by opponents who earn ten times as much. The purpose of a system is what it does. It was not a series of unfortunate events that shaped London into the go-to destination for those who earned their cash in, to put it politely, unorthodox ways. It was, and remains, the business model.

Signet-ring industrial complex

When dodgy Russian money evaporates, dodgy money from other sources will replace it. Russia is hardly the only country blessed by resources but cursed by its elites. Nigerian and Azeri cash sloshes around the City of London. Russia is merely the current pariah, not the only one. Saudi Arabia’s habit of chopping up journalists and blowing up its neighbours makes it an awkward ally. But the British state has few qualms about letting it buy prized assets (and even unprized ones, such as Newcastle United). Russians made up a fifth of the golden visas dished out since 2008; Chinese citizens accounted for a third. What happens if China invades Taiwan? Expect the same wrenching process, except with Chinese rather than Russian wealth sieved out of the system. Londongrad has fallen. Another moniker will replace it. But the banyas will remain.
 
Another excerpt from the Economist:

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2022/03/12/will-china-offer-russia-financial-help

Chinese officials must juggle several priorities. China wants to see Russia survive these sanctions, to teach America and allies that they are not a magic weapon, but is anxious to limit collateral damage to Chinese interests. In the process, it plans to learn from Russia’s mistakes. If it comes to blows with America, China wants its financial system to be shielded. Its aims will include improving its payments system and diversifying its $3.2trn of reserve holdings out of Western currencies and accounts by, for example, investing in commodities. It could get foreign firms and governments to issue more securities in China’s own capital markets, creating a new pool of assets for China to buy. Russia may hope for a Chinese bail-out; China’s priority will be to learn from a case study of failure.
 
China needs to decide if Russian economy will be strong enough and order enough to replace the rest of the world boycotting Chinese products. if it comes down to that.
 
We should be sanctioning countries who want to align with Russia...for example it seems Russian reps are in India trying to cement closer relationships... outrageous...if we still give financial help to e.g India we need to let them know the consequences of any relationships they build with Moscow and the war criminal elite! in no uncertain terms.

Treat any countries aligning with Russsia as potential enemies of the future...
 
We should be sanctioning countries who want to align with Russia...for example it seems Russian reps are in India trying to cement closer relationships... outrageous...if we still give financial help to e.g India we need to let them know the consequences of any relationships they build with Moscow and the war criminal elite! in no uncertain terms.

Treat any countries aligning with Russsia as potential enemies of the future...


Some countries are natural trading parties due to geography and really have no choice but to trade with Russia and China. And India has may internal issues to deal with as well.

The realpolitik is that China will be the dominant, if isolated from the west, economy globally. India, Russia and China are a trading block in waiting. India is playing a neutral game with an eye to the future. And you can bet China is influencing this behind the scenes.
 
Should a country be condemned for forming a block with Russia disregarding geographical factors ?

Excellent question Nick. Sanctions are designed to put pressure on governments via their people suffering and telling their government to get their act together or the people saying we will suffer through this because we believe our government is correct.

There was a poll out this morning that 83% of the Russian people supported Putin's actions.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...utin-s-ukraine-war-as-kremlin-muzzles-dissent
 
Excellent question Nick. Sanctions are designed to put pressure on governments via their people suffering and telling their government to get their act together or the people saying we will suffer through this because we believe our government is correct.

There was a poll out this morning that 83% of the Russian people supported Putin's actions.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...utin-s-ukraine-war-as-kremlin-muzzles-dissent

As a Russian in Russia its dangerous to go against Putin. Even outside of Russia its dangerous and maybe even if you are not Russian !!
 
Missed an opportunity today with Putin and most of his cronies all in Red Square for the WW2 victory parade commemorations! :yes: