U.S. police murder homeless man

[Galvin's Shinpads]

This is one of the most brutal atrocities, committed by the U.S. police force, of recent times.

Every single one of the officers involved should be imprisoned for gross incompetence and ultimately MURDER!

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[Galvin's Shinpads]

I won't post the photograph but if anyone wants to see the way these maniacs left this man, you can witness the result after the bump below...

http://publicintelligence.net/graphic-photo-of-kelly-thomas-victim-of-fullerton-police-brutality/

 

[Galvin's Shinpads]

By the way, the cops were found not guilty of the death of the man

 

[spurdon]

UTTERLY APPALLING! I can not impress on people enough how important proper civilian oversight of law enforcement is. In the light of cases as varied as: Jean Charles de Menezes, Mark Duggan, Harry Stanley, Azelle Rodney,Ian Tomlinson, Richard O'Brien zero room for complacency regards our own police services capacity for brutality is permissible.

 

[Spursex]

spurdon - 14/1/2014 14:34

UTTERLY APPALLING! I can not impress on people enough how important proper civilian oversight of law enforcement is. In the light of cases as varied as: Jean Charles de Menezes, Mark Duggan, Harry Stanley, Azelle Rodney,Ian Tomlinson, Richard O'Brien zero room for complacency regards our own police services capacity for brutality is permissible.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

As for Duggan; due process of law has been followed. The inquest jury follows the same selection rules as any jury, so as such, his peers found the outcome lawful.

 

[Taricco the yid]

Galvin's Shinpads - 14/1/2014 13:25

I won't post the photograph but if anyone wants to see the way these maniacs left this man, you can witness the result after the bump below...

http://publicintelligence.net/graphic-photo-of-kelly-thomas-victim-of-fullerton-police-brutality/

That is disgusting. Even if he wasn't mentally ill and resisting arrest there is no need for that kind of brutality. The bit where he was calling for his dad was upsetting.

 

[Spursex]

What's really shocking is the video seems to make it pretty clear that they killed him - how did they get away with it? Incredible.

 

[spurdon]

Spursex - 14/1/2014 15:15

spurdon - 14/1/2014 14:34

UTTERLY APPALLING! I can not impress on people enough how important proper civilian oversight of law enforcement is. In the light of cases as varied as: Jean Charles de Menezes, Mark Duggan, Harry Stanley, Azelle Rodney,Ian Tomlinson, Richard O'Brien zero room for complacency regards our own police services capacity for brutality is permissible.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

As for Duggan; due process of law has been followed. The inquest jury follows the same selection rules as any jury, so as such, his peers found the outcome lawful.

None of which negates the fact that anyone who looks at how the incident was investigated; the horribly misinformed briefing(PR spin attempted by the Met)of the press, and other sundry issue resulting will conclude our own house is far from in order.

 

[Spursex]

spurdon - 14/1/2014 15:39

Spursex - 14/1/2014 15:15

spurdon - 14/1/2014 14:34

UTTERLY APPALLING! I can not impress on people enough how important proper civilian oversight of law enforcement is. In the light of cases as varied as: Jean Charles de Menezes, Mark Duggan, Harry Stanley, Azelle Rodney,Ian Tomlinson, Richard O'Brien zero room for complacency regards our own police services capacity for brutality is permissible.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

As for Duggan; due process of law has been followed. The inquest jury follows the same selection rules as any jury, so as such, his peers found the outcome lawful.

None of which negates the fact that anyone who looks at how the incident was investigated; the horribly misinformed briefing(PR spin attempted by the Met)of the press, and other sundry issue resulting will conclude our own house is far from in order.

These aspersions against the Met, are as yet non-proven and remain largely the domian of the those who wish to campaign against the lawful ruling of the outcome of the inquest.

Until (if ever) these allegations are substainated, they remain the views of those who are disgruntled; they do have clear courses of action;

I welcome the fact that his family and friends now wish to act in a peaceful and lawful manner for whatever ends they now want.

Oversight means of course we can never be complacent, because as indviduals change/replaced/retire over time so does the institutional behaviour of organisations - sometimes this can be for the better, but it can just as easily be for the opposite, so yes, vigilance in these matters should always be the communities view.

With elected PCCs now the order of the day, it's far more likely than Police who transgress or who break the rules can be exposed and brought to account.

Of course, the local community must engage with and hold the PCC to account where it matters: the ballot box.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19504639

 

[steveperryman]

I feel physically sick. They've clearly murdered the guy & yet they've all walked away scott free. How can this be?

 

[spurdon]

Spursex - 14/1/2014 17:05

spurdon - 14/1/2014 15:39

Spursex - 14/1/2014 15:15

spurdon - 14/1/2014 14:34

UTTERLY APPALLING! I can not impress on people enough how important proper civilian oversight of law enforcement is. In the light of cases as varied as: Jean Charles de Menezes, Mark Duggan, Harry Stanley, Azelle Rodney,Ian Tomlinson, Richard O'Brien zero room for complacency regards our own police services capacity for brutality is permissible.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

As for Duggan; due process of law has been followed. The inquest jury follows the same selection rules as any jury, so as such, his peers found the outcome lawful.

None of which negates the fact that anyone who looks at how the incident was investigated; the horribly misinformed briefing(PR spin attempted by the Met)of the press, and other sundry issue resulting will conclude our own house is far from in order.

These aspersions against the Met, are as yet non-proven and remain largely the domian of the those who wish to campaign against the lawful ruling of the outcome of the inquest.

Until (if ever) these allegations are substainated, they remain the views of those who are disgruntled; they do have clear courses of action;

I welcome the fact that his family and friends now wish to act in a peaceful and lawful manner for whatever ends they now want.

Oversight means of course we can never be complacent, because as indviduals change/replaced/retire over time so does the institutional behaviour of organisations - sometimes this can be for the better, but it can just as easily be for the opposite, so yes, vigilance in these matters should always be the communities view.

With elected PCCs now the order of the day, it's far more likely than Police who transgress or who break the rules can be exposed and brought to account.

Of course, the local community must engage with and hold the PCC to account where it matters: the ballot box.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19504639

The lawful ruling has zero to do with my own or a number of concerned citizens feelings regards the Duggan shooting.The Met has -in my opinion- developed a culture of trying to spin contentious cases by briefing to friendly sources before anything like the required due diligence. As in the Duggan case (which is why I mention it, not because I agree or disagree with the outcome you seem to have jumped to this conclusion) this has potentially devastating consequences. It is also spectacularly unhelpful to those of us who want a Met that enforces with the consent of all members of the public which includes black and ethic minority communities. However as this culture has now impacted a member of the only constituency that seems to matter to some (white upper class Tory grandees) I suspect it may at long last be addressed.

By the way EX I'm not sure if you mean anything by the your grateful that the dead man's relatives "now" wish to act in a peaceful and lawful manner comment but unless you know something about said individuals it's a bit of a loaded statement and possibly unwise. I'm not invested personally and know don't these people; my opinions on the Met regards this case is formed on information in the public domain, and on patterns of behavior that are repeated time and again. Look up some of cases I've sited it's eye opening if stomach churning stuff .

 

[Spursex]

spurdon - 14/1/2014 21:50

Spursex - 14/1/2014 17:05

spurdon - 14/1/2014 15:39

Spursex - 14/1/2014 15:15

spurdon - 14/1/2014 14:34

UTTERLY APPALLING! I can not impress on people enough how important proper civilian oversight of law enforcement is. In the light of cases as varied as: Jean Charles de Menezes, Mark Duggan, Harry Stanley, Azelle Rodney,Ian Tomlinson, Richard O'Brien zero room for complacency regards our own police services capacity for brutality is permissible.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

As for Duggan; due process of law has been followed. The inquest jury follows the same selection rules as any jury, so as such, his peers found the outcome lawful.

None of which negates the fact that anyone who looks at how the incident was investigated; the horribly misinformed briefing(PR spin attempted by the Met)of the press, and other sundry issue resulting will conclude our own house is far from in order.

These aspersions against the Met, are as yet non-proven and remain largely the domian of the those who wish to campaign against the lawful ruling of the outcome of the inquest.

Until (if ever) these allegations are substainated, they remain the views of those who are disgruntled; they do have clear courses of action;

I welcome the fact that his family and friends now wish to act in a peaceful and lawful manner for whatever ends they now want.

Oversight means of course we can never be complacent, because as indviduals change/replaced/retire over time so does the institutional behaviour of organisations - sometimes this can be for the better, but it can just as easily be for the opposite, so yes, vigilance in these matters should always be the communities view.

With elected PCCs now the order of the day, it's far more likely than Police who transgress or who break the rules can be exposed and brought to account.

Of course, the local community must engage with and hold the PCC to account where it matters: the ballot box.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19504639

The lawful ruling has zero to do with my own or a number of concerned citizens feelings regards the Duggan shooting.The Met has -in my opinion- developed a culture of trying to spin contentious cases by briefing to friendly sources before anything like the required due diligence. As in the Duggan case (which is why I mention it, not because I agree or disagree with the outcome you seem to have jumped to this conclusion) this has potentially devastating consequences. It is also spectacularly unhelpful to those of us who want a Met that enforces with the consent of all members of the public which includes black and ethic minority communities. However as this culture has now impacted a member of the only constituency that seems to matter to some (white upper class Tory grandees) I suspect it may at long last be addressed.

By the way EX I'm not sure if you mean anything by the your grateful that the dead man's relatives "now" wish to act in a peaceful and lawful manner comment but unless you know something about said individuals it's a bit of a loaded statement and possibly unwise. I'm not invested personally and know don't these people; my opinions on the Met regards this case is formed on information in the public domain, and on patterns of behavior that are repeated time and again. Look up some of cases I've sited it's eye opening if stomach churning stuff .

Spurdon,

I didn't think I implied I had jumped to any conclusion on what your position was in the Duggan case - but lumping it in with the other cases you sight seemed to implie that you had 'grouped them all together'...my distinction was two fold; 1) that due process has been followed and is about as transparent a process as you could probably ever get, and 2) After the events of the Tottenham riots where there were and still are street led intelligence to suggest that those that knew Duggan were instrumental in some of the actions subsequent to his death, so I'm obviously pleased that at least some members of his family see that if they believe their has been a miscarriage of justice then using peacful means to fight the conclusions should be welcomed - however, they do need to learn some lessons and act differently very early on - their lack of self-control (outside the court) after the verdict was reached has done them no favours whatsoever..

As for the rest of the cases; if fault and blame can be established beyond any shadow of a doubt then action must be taken. The police never get a free card from me, and nor should they be from anyone else - that said, the vast majority of the Police have the highest standards of integrity and that needs to be remembered at all times in such emotive and contentious issues as those that you highlight.

Finally;

this is worth a read in respect of Duggan..


http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/the_killing_of_mark_duggan_not_a_rerun_of_the_1980s/14502

 

[spurdon]

Ex the verdict that the jurors reached in regards the Duggan case was arrived at after due process. Had the Met briefed with as much restraint we may have been spared much of the violence that followed. Why I have grouped the Duggan case with for instance the shooting of John Charles demenezes, is in the way the Met handled the press in its wake. I'm sure you don't need to be reminded of the utterly inept performance of Ian Blair in it's immediate aftermath(spouting hearsay and propaganda as if it was fact). There were echos of this with Duggan. This speaks to a culture where damage limitation is prized over investigative integrity and should concern us all, not just the dead man's friends and family whose virtues, or lack of, concern me not a jot. I have not had a relative killed in similar circumstances and suspect you haven't so judge not least you be judged. As for the vast majority of police and there high standards everything from the Leveson inquiry to Plebgate suggest that this is a cosy assumption that we can ill afford.

 

[ST2]

Spursex - 14/1/2014 15:18

What's really shocking is the video seems to make it pretty clear that they killed him - how did they get away with it? Incredible.

mmm, not nearly so horrific but the camera clearly showed Stevie G beating up that barman and he got off too.

One has lots of money and the others have the full force of a corrupt system behind them.............