Truth on 'wave of attacks' on muslims

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The truth about the 'wave of attacks on Muslims’ after Woolwich murder

Fiyaz Mughal runs a project called Tell Mama, which receives £214,000 a year from the Government to monitor anti-Muslim attacks in Britain. In the wake of Drummer Lee Rigby’s murder, he has been understandably busy.
By Andrew Gilligan

9:05PM BST 01 Jun 2013

There has, said Mr Mughal, been “a wave of attacks, harassment, and hate-filled speech against Muslims … an unprecedented number of incidents”, including “a rise in street harassment of Muslims – unprovoked, opportunistic attacks from strangers as Muslims go about their lives”.

He added: “Over the past week or so, these sorts of hate crimes have noticeably increased in number and, in many instances, become more extreme.

"The scale of the backlash is astounding … there has been a massive spike in anti-Muslim prejudice. A sense of endemic fear has gripped Muslim communities.”

The media, especially the BBC, have accepted the claims without question. A presenter on Radio 4’s influential Today programme stated that attacks on Muslims were now “on a very serious scale”.

Talk of a “massive anti-Muslim backlash” has become routine. And it is that figure issued by Tell Mama – of, to date, 212 “anti-Muslim incidents” since the Woolwich murder – which has formed the basis of nearly all this reporting.

Mr Mughal is in no doubt what lies behind it all. As he told a newspaper: “I do not see an end to this cycle of violence. There is an underlying Islamophobia in our society and the horrendous events in Woolwich have brought this to the fore.”

And as he put it on Today, “the [Government’s] Prevent [anti-extremism] agenda, the extremist agenda, have not been good for building confidence – the sense of fear just alienates and isolates communities.”

Yet the unending “cycle of violence” against Muslims, the unprecedented “wave of attacks” against them from strangers in the street, the “underlying Islamophobia in our society” – all turn out to be yet more things we thought we knew about Woolwich that are not really supported by the evidence.

Tell Mama confirmed to The Sunday Telegraph that about 120 of its 212 “anti-Muslim incidents” – 57 per cent – took place only online. They were offensive postings on Twitter or Facebook, or comments on blogs: nasty and undesirable, certainly, but some way from violence or physical harm and often, indeed, legal. Not all the offending tweets and postings, it turns out, even originated in Britain.

Tell Mama has no written definition of what it classes as an anti-Muslim incident, but has in the past adopted a wide definition. Last November, the cross-bench Asian peer, Baroness Flather, told a newspaper it was “pointless for the Conservatives to chase Muslim votes.

They are all on benefits and all vote Labour”. Tell Mama added this admittedly crass and untrue remark to its database as an “anti-Muslim incident,” though it said it had deleted it following an explanation from Lady Flather.

Although the service says its caseworkers “carefully handle each report as it comes in, to determine whether it can be verified and justified as an anti-Muslim incident”, Mr Mughal admitted that a further 35 of the 212 post-Woolwich incidents, or 16 per cent, had yet to be verified.

He justified publishing the figure, however, saying he expected that all but a handful of incidents would be verified.

Fewer than one in 12 of the 212 “incidents” reported to Tell Mama since Woolwich – 17 cases (8 per cent) – involved individuals being physically targeted.

Six people had things thrown at them, said Mr Mughal, and most of the other 11 cases were attempts to pull off the hijab or other items of Islamic dress.

Without in any way denying the distress and harm caused by such attacks, they do stand at the lower levels of seriousness.

Seventeen is still likely, of course, to underestimate the total number of attacks. The Metropolitan Police, the only major force in Britain which breaks down “offences with an Islamophobic flag”, said there were 13 allegations of common or racially aggravated assault of Muslims reported to it in London in the week after the killing.

About 40 per cent of Britain’s 2.7 million Muslims live in the capital, so the national figure could be around 32 cases, or about one Muslim in every 100,000.

Offences of common and racially aggravated assault are typically used where there has been no injury, such as hijab snatching, or minor injury not drawing blood or requiring medical treatment, such as the throwing incidents reported by Tell Mama. The Met said there were no cases reported to it where any more serious injury resulted.

Asking other police forces and trawling local media reports, The Telegraph has been unable to find a single confirmed case since Drummer Rigby’s death where any individual Muslim has received an injury requiring medical treatment.

Tell Mama’s Twitter feed reported one such incident, of a Muslim woman “knocked unconscious” in Bolton, but the local police said they had no knowledge of this and did not believe it happened.

It is unlikely, though not impossible, that any case of serious injury could have escaped the notice of the media or police.

Perhaps the most serious manifestation of anti-Muslim feeling after the killing was a number of attacks on mosques. These are believed to total 11, though here again evidence for a “wave of violence” is lacking.

With only two exceptions, a mosque in Grimsby into which firebombs were thrown and another one in Essex where a man entered with a knife, all the incidents were relatively minor, such as window-breaking or graffiti.

According to the Charity Commission, there are between 1,100 and 1,500 mosques in the UK, so the number attacked is less than 1 per cent.

Two other sets of figures are available. According to the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), forces nationally reported 71 anti-Muslim hate crimes or “incidents of note” to the National Community Tensions Team in the week after the murder of Drummer Rigby.

“That would cover everything they feel has a link to Woolwich, though an incident of note would not necessarily be a crime,” said a spokesman.

The second set of figures is from True Vision, an online hate-crime reporting tool operated by Acpo. There were 136 reports of anti-Muslim activity – internet or physical – received via this website in the week after Woolwich, overwhelmingly in the first few days, though Acpo said that not all were crimes and some reports were duplicates.

As for the claim that there is “no end” to the cycle of anti-Muslim activity, it has substantially ended already. According to police, there was a sharp spike in reported incidents in the day or so after the killing, but they have already subsided to pre-Woolwich levels. Acpo said that by last Wednesday, a week after the murder, the number of incidents reported to True Vision had fallen back to four a day.

The claim that the spike and numbers were “unprecedented” is wrong, too. After the 7/7 attacks in London – admittedly more serious than the killing of Drummer Rigby – there was a far bigger and more prolonged rise in faith-hate crimes. According to the Met, 269 were recorded in London alone in the three weeks after the 2005 attacks, compared with 40 for the same period the year before.

What the data broadly show, in short, is that Drummer Rigby’s killers have failed. The breakdown in community relations has not come. There has been a rise in incidents, but it appears to be very short-term, overwhelmingly non-violent and even then almost entirely at the lower end of the scale.

Yet this is not a message the Islamophobia industry wants heard, now or ever. Two months before the Woolwich killing, Tell Mama was already claiming that anti-Muslim incidents were “rising”, on the basis of reports made to its service. But at that point it had only been going for a year, so it had no previous figures to compare.

In 2010 a report for the Islamist Cordoba Foundation, described by David Cameron as a “political front for the Muslim Brotherhood”, said there was already what it called a wave of “terrorism” against British Muslims, with an “alarming rise” in hatred of Islam.

What evidence there is simply does not support the claims. There is anti-Muslim hatred in Britain, and it is disgraceful. But nearly all the evidence shows it is diminishing. In 2009 there were 368 anti-Muslim crimes in London; in 2012, there were 337. In the first 11 weeks of 2013, there were 64 crimes, equating at that point to 303 across the year, though the Woolwich attack will drive that up.

Hate crime in London’s main Muslim area, Tower Hamlets, has dropped by almost half since 2003 (though it rose slightly this year). Outside London, faith-hate crimes reported to the main forces with big Muslim populations – West Midlands, Greater Manchester and West Yorkshire – have fallen, too.

Broader political developments suggest a country increasingly at ease with Muslims. In 2009 the main anti-Islamic party, the BNP, had 55 councillors. Now it has two. The number of Muslim MPs doubled at the last election, some elected for entirely non-Muslim seats such as Bromsgrove, Gillingham, or Stratford-upon-Avon with no backlash whatever.

Continental campaigns to ban minarets and the niqab have gained absolutely no political traction in Britain.

Opinion polls after the Woolwich attack showed rising positive sentiment about Muslims – though, as with so many of these exercises, the answers can depend on the questions you ask.

Yet broader politics are also driving the Islamophobia industry.

For Islamists such as the Cordoba Foundation, the narrative of British Muslims under attack, increasingly hated and feared by their fellow citizens, is essential for recruitment, and for furthering their central lie that different races and faiths cannot coexist.

“Islamophobic” is also a handy charge to throw at anyone who questions Islamist ideology.

Tell Mama is not Islamist, though Mr Mughal has written in the Cordoba Foundation’s journal (he says it was a “mistake” which he will not repeat).

But part of its motivation appears to be an attempt to draw some of the sting from Islamist terrorism by equating it with the work of anti-Muslim extremist groups such as the English Defence League.

As Tell Mama’s Twitter feed puts it, “whilst we need to tackle the narrative of hate inspired by al-Qaeda, we also need to tackle the thuggery and hate of the EDL”. Mr Mughal insists that “both groups are significantly problematic”.

Loathsome as the white extreme Right is, however, there is clearly no comparison. No one in Britain has been killed by the EDL; 53 people have been killed by Islamist terrorists. White racists, unlike their Islamist equivalents, do not control key religious institutions or have a significant presence in British universities.

Over the past decade, half a dozen or so white British Right-wingers have been convicted of possessing explosives and other weapons. But all were loners not acting in concert with any group.

In contrast, there have, over the same period, been 150 convictions for Islamist-related terrorism in the UK, many relating to serious, carefully organised, often multinational plots against specific targets involving substantial numbers of people.

For some quarters of the Islamophobia industry, it has now become Muslims who are the main victims of the Woolwich horror.

But while some innocent Muslims have of course become victims, the main victim was Drummer Lee Rigby. And in overhyping the backlash, some in the Muslim community are playing right into the hands of his killers.
 
I think the biggest anti-muslim incident was the killing of Lee Rigby. It's done much more damage than a few online postings.
 
ahx00 - 3/6/2013 15:39

I think the biggest anti-muslim incident was the killing of Lee Rigby. It's done much more damage than a few online postings.


And that is exactly what those types of acts are designed to do. Drive a wedge between normally peaceful communities to a point where civilized discourse becomes impossible because of the anger over the act.
 
Well I find that all rather reassuring. Good. It did amuse me that on the crest of this " massive backlash" 1000 yobs of the far right and far left variety enjoyed each others company. whilst two streets away 3000 people turned out to stop a cull of badgers. There going to need a bigger wedge than poor Lee Rigby.
 
spurdon - 4/6/2013 12:06

Well I find that all rather reassuring. Good. It did amuse me that on the crest of this " massive backlash" 1000 yobs of the far right and far left variety enjoyed each others company. whilst two streets away 3000 people turned out to stop a cull of badgers. There going to need a bigger wedge than poor Lee Rigby.

Actually, the number was put at around 1000 for the badger protest - which is possibly an apt symmetry, as 1000 people complained about animals being culled and 1000 that some choose to class as animals were 'two streets away'...

Only the British eh?
 
ahx00 - 4/6/2013 12:15

Cancel the badger cull and start culling the real animal pests.

At some point it might well be worth looking beyond what we think we know about the EDL (and putting the labels aside which we know and love) and to examine what they say they are all about...

Perhaps not unsurprisingly, they seem to think they are somewhat different as to how they're portrayed..

Is it their ideals and principals that are wrong, or their execution/interpretation of them?


they're worth a read:

http://englishdefenceleague.org/home/about-us
 
Both.

They wee formed in Luton (my hometown) and my girlfriend went to school with the main guy. They're ****s, they've always been ****s.

You can't counter extremism with extremism.
 
ahx00 - 4/6/2013 13:37

Both.

They wee formed in Luton (my hometown) and my girlfriend went to school with the main guy. They're ****s, they've always been ****s.

You can't counter extremism with extremism.

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Spursex - 4/6/2013 13:09

ahx00 - 4/6/2013 12:15

Cancel the badger cull and start culling the real animal pests.

At some point it might well be worth looking beyond what we think we know about the EDL (and putting the labels aside which we know and love) and to examine what they say they are all about...

Perhaps not unsurprisingly, they seem to think they are somewhat different as to how they're portrayed..

Is it their ideals and principals that are wrong, or their execution/interpretation of them?


they're worth a read:

http://englishdefenceleague.org/home/about-us

In the name of all that is sensible, Ex, please stop and ask yourself is this really where you want to be.

When I first joined this site, you were a Tory but a a reasonably articulate one (for Tories) but my! how you have drifted to the right since then. Spurs better win something soon or you will be a candidate for the EDL!

Get a grip, mate, you can't be THIS stupid!!
 
Couldn't agree more Innis wouldn't click on that link for love nor money. When them people start making any kind of sense to you check into a clinic. Just like omar bakri mohammed.
 
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anything above, I haven't read it and won't, but interpretation and execution might be a factor.

Let's see, what other tomes have been written that have been used to justify violence over the course of history by people either motivated by greed, power or just plain insanity? Is their any faction, religion or any other schism that can hold itself out as completely benign?

Peace and goodwill forever.
 
Innispurs - 4/6/2013 21:20

Spursex - 4/6/2013 13:09

ahx00 - 4/6/2013 12:15

Cancel the badger cull and start culling the real animal pests.

At some point it might well be worth looking beyond what we think we know about the EDL (and putting the labels aside which we know and love) and to examine what they say they are all about...

Perhaps not unsurprisingly, they seem to think they are somewhat different as to how they're portrayed..

Is it their ideals and principals that are wrong, or their execution/interpretation of them?


they're worth a read:

http://englishdefenceleague.org/home/about-us

In the name of all that is sensible, Ex, please stop and ask yourself is this really where you want to be.

When I first joined this site, you were a Tory but a a reasonably articulate one (for Tories) but my! how you have drifted to the right since then. Spurs better win something soon or you will be a candidate for the EDL!

Get a grip, mate, you can't be THIS stupid!!

Innis, you're right, even I can't be this stupid.....nor sadly did I think you were!!

The point of my question was simple in reality; i.e. like it or not the EDL has recently created a lot of traction (not surprising given recent events) and by many they are now being likened to 'nationalists' (of which I'm sure you know only too well the justification for how they behaved)....

So, rather than 'just' label them as working class racists as so many seem to do, what we need to do is understand their motivation, forget the labels and counter them with intelligence (even if it has temporarily left you!).
 
spurdon - 4/6/2013 21:37

Couldn't agree more Innis wouldn't click on that link for love nor money. When them people start making any kind of sense to you check into a clinic. Just like omar bakri mohammed.

Sticking our collective heads in the sand and chucking about labels is what leads to these situations in the first place - by all means do that if that's what you want to do, personally, I don't think there should be any taboo's no matter how personally distasteful you or I may find them - they're attracting support from the disaffected and only by reading their 'propaganda' will you understand exactly why...

Their written statements are the very stuff of projected reason that so many have been sucked in by in the past..
 
Spursex - 5/6/2013 09:19

spurdon - 4/6/2013 21:37

Couldn't agree more Innis wouldn't click on that link for love nor money. When them people start making any kind of sense to you check into a clinic. Just like omar bakri mohammed.

Sticking our collective heads in the sand and chucking about labels is what leads to these situations in the first place - by all means do that if that's what you want to do, personally, I don't think there should be any taboo's no matter how personally distasteful you or I may find them - they're attracting support from the disaffected and only by reading their 'propaganda' will you understand exactly why...

Their written statements are the very stuff of projected reason that so many have been sucked in by in the past..

See I just don't agree with you mate because this traction you speak of by your own words amounts to 1000 people(many banned from football grounds)having an annual fun day. I don't need their web site to hear their toxic ideology. I've have had the miss-fortune of speaking to their membership in pubs and outside the Britania stadium, their less cognizant of minding they avoid words like ******* and ***** then, I can tell you. I'm not sticking my head in the sand; I'm just not afraid of them. I'm far too big and ugly for that, nor do I think they are particularly significant. I truly believe they will need a bigger wedge than Lee Rigby, if you don't we'll have to differ. But I don't want that shit my browsing history no ta.
 
spurdon - 5/6/2013 10:20

Spursex - 5/6/2013 09:19

spurdon - 4/6/2013 21:37

Couldn't agree more Innis wouldn't click on that link for love nor money. When them people start making any kind of sense to you check into a clinic. Just like omar bakri mohammed.

Sticking our collective heads in the sand and chucking about labels is what leads to these situations in the first place - by all means do that if that's what you want to do, personally, I don't think there should be any taboo's no matter how personally distasteful you or I may find them - they're attracting support from the disaffected and only by reading their 'propaganda' will you understand exactly why...

Their written statements are the very stuff of projected reason that so many have been sucked in by in the past..

See I just don't agree with you mate because this traction you speak of by your own words amounts to 1000 people(many banned from football grounds)having an annual fun day. I don't need their web site to hear their toxic ideology. I've have had the miss-fortune of speaking to their membership in pubs and outside the Britania stadium, their less cognizant of minding they avoid words like ******* and ***** then, I can tell you. I'm not sticking my head in the sand; I'm just not afraid of them. I'm far too big and ugly for that, nor do I think they are particularly significant. I truly believe they will need a bigger wedge than Lee Rigby, if you don't we'll have to differ. But I don't want that shit my browsing history no ta.

Scarily, they estimate their membership at over 100,000.

Most estimates even have it higher, some obviously lower - whatever the truth that's significantly more than 1000...and with recent events (depending on who you believe) they've claimed an even bigger surge in both financial support and paid membership...

so in my book, it's something that shouldn't be ignored. But as I said, you're free to do whatever you feel happy with!

 
British union of fascist, National front, BNP, EDL same shit different day. All riding their own wave to obscurity. This is who we are. Always were always will be, if ignoring it's dangerous be even more wary of those who over sell it.
 
spurdon - 5/6/2013 11:00

British union of fascist, National front, BNP, EDL same shit different day. All riding their own wave to obscurity. This is who we are. Always were always will be, if ignoring it's dangerous be even more wary of those who over sell it.

Well it seems to me, ignoring it just isn't an option.
 
Guess we will see EX. The end is extremely ******* nigh all the time for some. Powells Tiber foaming with blood wasn't so much a torrent as trickle. The daily Mail(that bastion of leftist propaganda) printed official statistics that claimed the Uk was experiencing a thirty year low in violent crime. So I'll take my eggs sunny side up this morning if you don't mind. Now if you get back to me after we sell Bale....
 
spurdon - 5/6/2013 12:22

Guess we will see EX. The end is extremely ******* nigh all the time for some. Powells Tiber foaming with blood wasn't so much a torrent as trickle. The daily Mail(that bastion of leftist propaganda) printed official statistics that claimed the Uk was experiencing a thirty year low in violent crime. So I'll take my eggs sunny side up this morning if you don't mind. Now if you get back to me after we sell Bale....

Well ignoring the f***** morons this morning seems less of an option after their supporters (apparently) torched a muslim community centre and daubed the outside walls with EDL graffiti...

Great news on the violent crime front, amazing what this government has achieved in such a small period of time :17: :10: