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Trump loses the plot.

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Utterly disgraceful scenes brought about by Trump's words and actions.

I now hope he is impeached and stands ready to answer for the 4 deaths that have occurred because of his actions - he's now undermined democracy everywhere.

What an utter twat.
 
Boris Johnson, the Prime Minister, wrote on Twitter: “Disgraceful scenes in US Congress. The United States stands for democracy around the world and it is now vital that there should be a peaceful and orderly transfer of power.”

Former president George W. Bush on Wednesday denounced some of his fellow Republicans for fuelling the "insurrection".

"This is how election results are disputed in a banana republic - not our democratic republic," he said.

Mike Pompeo, a Trump loyalist, tweeted urging the extremists be taken to task. "Let us swiftly bring justice to the criminals who engaged in this rioting," he tweeted.
 
Politically this is probably the shock that the republican party needed in order to be able to step back from the trump faction and to reel his base back into line with their values.

It will be interesting to see if this is the moment they finally go a separate path or if the early criticisms are just a repeat of previous scandals of this man where they distance themselves from him but then slowly regroup around him going forward.

It also just further fuels the democratic BLM base as it is just another clear example of the 2 teir political policing of these sorts of "protests"
 
meee93 said:
Politically this is probably the shock that the republican party needed in order to be able to step back from the trump faction and to reel his base back into line with their values.

It will be interesting to see if this is the moment they finally go a separate path or if the early criticisms are just a repeat of previous scandals of this man where they distance themselves from him but then slowly regroup around him going forward.

It also just further fuels the democratic BLM base as it is just another clear example of the 2 teir political policing of these sorts of "protests"
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Hmmm, can't recall 4 people dying because of zealous policing in the past? Could be wrong of course.

The tea party faction will now move stage right and into oblivion, there will be a rebalancing. I can't see any action being taken against Trump, although there should be.

The republican party will have to repair itself and the democrats have found the magic formula to win all future elections through postal voting; so it's certainly going to be a Biden administration for the next 8 years and with control of the senate, he'll bring forward all the democrats favoured left-leaning policies and bring them into law - it's the ying and the yang and will even itself out as some prove a disaster and some will work.

What is certain they'll have to work hard at re-establishing democracy as a moral high-ground as of today China, Russia, Iran et al are laughing their heads off at America as they illuminate the chaos that Trump has caused.
 
Agree no action will be taken against him....

He should face an indictment for inciting a riot and anti democratic behaviour at the very least.

Then again we can talk because Blair should have faced indictment charges for illegally taking us to war and getting so many of our troops killed.

I detest him so much more than Trump because Trump does not engage his brain before opening his mouth whilst Blair knows exactly what he is doing and saying....he is evil and I wish the media would stop the ex prime minister from having a voice on TV for matters he feels he wants to poke his two faced nose into

There got that off my chest.
 
Is anyone surprised this happened? This is the accumulation of months of unrest, mostly by the left wing in the States.

Let me clarify, I am no fan of Trump and never have been, but I will not lay this all on his doorstep. He deserves a share of the blame of course, and the Republicans get it with both barells in the press as it is, while the Democrats can take a massive steaming shite and everyone will pretend is doesn't stink.

The Democratic party, Democratic DA's, and the MSM have turned a blind eye to months of rioting and protests where over 60 people lost their lives, but nobody gave a shit because a career criminal died of a heart attack while off his head on a cocktail of drugs while resisting arrest for the bones of 30 minutes ... and we were all fed the lie he was murdered because of the colour of his skin, but more importantly, it was hurting Trump, so who cares about the death toll, right? Or the truth for that matter.

Democratic Party members, members of the media, idiot woke celebrities, Execs in Big Tech Companies even banded together and provided Go Fund Me type fundraising to get these criminals out on bail, all the while ignoring people being beaten in the street because they wore a MAGA hat, or dragged from their cars on their way home, businesses destroyed and lives lost and dismissed them as "Mostly peaceful protests."

So is it a surprise after months of this with barely any reprecussions for those involved, that now a group of Republicans go on the rampage (which I condemn, just as I condemn all violence) a group that has been completely villified by the press by the way and 4 people die, all of a sudden we care about this? Fuckin hypocrisy. If this left wing violence was widely condemned by everyone from the start and nipped in the bud, this tragedy may not have happened, so there is a hell of a lot of blame to go around, but Biden, Harris, Pelosi and the whole Democratic party need to answer for this too. Everyone's hands are dirty.

I must be naive to think this will happen, though, as the bias towards the left wing is almost total in the West today.
 
The real issue is that the country is split into 3 factions

Normal People, can be republican or democrat
Progressives, afraid to call themselves by there real name every where else in the world.
Trumpians (tea party, christian (not very) right (not aften)

This means that the USA will face turmoil for years to come, I am glad I am not living there.

Declaration "our family voted for Biden"
 
Spursex said:
Hmmm, can't recall 4 people dying because of zealous policing in the past? Could be wrong of course.

The tea party faction will now move stage right and into oblivion, there will be a rebalancing. I can't see any action being taken against Trump, although there should be.

The republican party will have to repair itself and the democrats have found the magic formula to win all future elections through postal voting; so it's certainly going to be a Biden administration for the next 8 years and with control of the senate, he'll bring forward all the democrats favoured left-leaning policies and bring them into law - it's the ying and the yang and will even itself out as some prove a disaster and some will work.

What is certain they'll have to work hard at re-establishing democracy as a moral high-ground as of today China, Russia, Iran et al are laughing their heads off at America as they illuminate the chaos that Trump has caused.
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Many more than 4 have died due to overzealous policing of minorities.

I'm not sure about some of those 4 deaths but at least 1 was somebody who was part of a mob storming into the government building beside a man with what looks to be a very large rifle (i know nothing about guns, but can link the video of it but it's not nice). Sadly, I can't be surprised that they were shot in that situation. How sad to have your final moments be whilst wearing a flag of a man that cares not one bit about you but for the power you can bring to him.

But if you compare the readiness of the police for that planned and publicized gathering to those for BLM it's a stark difference. In the summer DC looked like a war zone with the number of armed guards standing ready for the potential protest. Then yesterday it looked like there was only a handful of people there! Crazy that a country that prides itself so much on hard power with large military force and an aggresive and defensive policing style could be so invisible at what was obviously going to be an eventful day(but nothing compared to what actually happened).

I wouldn't be so quick to say that Ex, 4 years is a long time in politics especially adding Biden's age as a factor. Plus I don't think it's as straight forward as many are expecting to get many left policies into law. The democrats are a broad church too and the socialist element is vocal but minor. Whilst many in the party are socially progressive on rights issues many are quite conservative fiscally and it only takes 1 dissenting voice to lose that majority.
Despite the lunatic that trump is, it was a close race so the republicans can, provided they move behind a good strong candidate in the coming months, take the presendency back.

No doubt the countries you mention will be licking their lips and joining the many countries around the world in laughing at the chaos that is America. If it wasn't so serious that country would be a great tv show.

Something I find a bit sickening is all the leaders and politicians that are coming out now and denouncing Trump. Where have they been the last 4/5 years? Many openly backed or stood by as he did and said many terrible things. Only now that Trumps power has all but faded have they the courage to stand up. There are serious question marks on their character
 
SpursEagle said:
Is anyone surprised this happened? This is the accumulation of months of unrest, mostly by the left wing in the States.

Let me clarify, I am no fan of Trump and never have been, but I will not lay this all on his doorstep. He deserves a share of the blame of course, and the Republicans get it with both barells in the press as it is, while the Democrats can take a massive steaming shite and everyone will pretend is doesn't stink.

The Democratic party, Democratic DA's, and the MSM have turned a blind eye to months of rioting and protests where over 60 people lost their lives, but nobody gave a shit because a career criminal died of a heart attack while off his head on a cocktail of drugs while resisting arrest for the bones of 30 minutes ... and we were all fed the lie he was murdered because of the colour of his skin, but more importantly, it was hurting Trump, so who cares about the death toll, right? Or the truth for that matter.

Democratic Party members, members of the media, idiot woke celebrities, Execs in Big Tech Companies even banded together and provided Go Fund Me type fundraising to get these criminals out on bail, all the while ignoring people being beaten in the street because they wore a MAGA hat, or dragged from their cars on their way home, businesses destroyed and lives lost and dismissed them as "Mostly peaceful protests."

So is it a surprise after months of this with barely any reprecussions for those involved, that now a group of Republicans go on the rampage (which I condemn, just as I condemn all violence) a group that has been completely villified by the press by the way and 4 people die, all of a sudden we care about this? Fuckin hypocrisy. If this left wing violence was widely condemned by everyone from the start and nipped in the bud, this tragedy may not have happened, so there is a hell of a lot of blame to go around, but Biden, Harris, Pelosi and the whole Democratic party need to answer for this too. Everyone's hands are dirty.

I must be naive to think this will happen, though, as the bias towards the left wing is almost total in the West today.
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BLM protests have not caused this. The mob yesterday was not about equality or standing up for the police. It was about applying pressure and attacking a government body who were trying to certify the results of a democratic election. All of this encouraged by the president thoughout the election cycle who was willing to encourage these people and wrile them up by spreading nonscene and factually incorrect stories.

I really don't understand how the push for equality can be equated with the events of yesterday.
 
meee93 said:
BLM protests have not caused this. The mob yesterday was not about equality or standing up for the police. It was about applying pressure and attacking a government body who were trying to certify the results of a democratic election. All of this encouraged by the president thoughout the election cycle who was willing to encourage these people and wrile them up by spreading nonscene and factually incorrect stories.

I really don't understand how the push for equality can be equated with the events of yesterday.
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Hey Meee,

I'm not going to tell you what to think about BLM as that's your choice, but they are not the innocent anti-racist group the media and they themselves would have you believe. If you'd like, you can do your own, honest, digging into them as a movement/organisation, and that may open your eyes far more than any words I have.

Also, I'm not saying that BLM are the direct cause. What I'm saying is the months and months of rioting, looting and murder done in their name without any reprecussions, coupled with the ludicrous defund the police BS, has made the US as lawless a place as I've ever witnessed. BLM have not condemned the violence, they have encouraged it. Same with the Democratic party, to a lesser extent on the latter.

The lies surrounding George Floyd, which began all this, is the catalyst. The AG of Minnesota released the damning footage last May but completely without context. Go watch the full video (it's about 28 minutes long), with an open mind free of media bullshit and show me where any racism is evident.

Then go check out the Coroner's report into his death. If nothing else, you may actually conclude that had the full footage been released first day, then the rioting would have been minor and sporadic, the career criminal Floyd would not have received a funeral worthy of a saint, and the problems caused by Police procedure could have been dealt with in a more reasonable fashion.

But all we've seen is every time a black criminal dies in police custody, no matter the context, we get more riots.

Again, my point here is not to defend Trump. Calling for that protest was asking for trouble and he should leave office immediately in my opinion. However, the point of my post is that for months the Democrats, all the way to the top, have refused to condemn violence and murder, refused to condemn "protestors" attacking Federal Courts and Police Stations when it is beneficial to them or coming from people whose side they represent, all aided ably by the most dishonest mass media movement I've witnessed in my life.

Turning a blind eye to all of this, is it any surprise this happened? I knew something was going to kick off, not like this, but definitely something.

What I'm saying is that nobody should come out of this looking clean. People on both sides have acted criminally, in my opinion, the media being the absolute worst of the lot. If the rioting had been halted in its tracks back in May/June, I believe the scenes from yesterday would never have happened. All it would take is for people to tell the bloody truth, but like I said in my post above, I must be damn naive to think like this.

Anyway, I'm sick to fucking death of the whole damn lot of these clowns. Peace, man.
 
SpursEagle said:
Hey Meee,

I'm not going to tell you what to think about BLM as that's your choice, but they are not the innocent anti-racist group the media and they themselves would have you believe. If you'd like, you can do your own, honest, digging into them as a movement/organisation, and that may open your eyes far more than any words I have.

Also, I'm not saying that BLM are the direct cause. What I'm saying is the months and months of rioting, looting and murder done in their name without any reprecussions, coupled with the ludicrous defund the police BS, has made the US as lawless a place as I've ever witnessed. BLM have not condemned the violence, they have encouraged it. Same with the Democratic party, to a lesser extent on the latter.

The lies surrounding George Floyd, which began all this, is the catalyst. The AG of Minnesota released the damning footage last May but completely without context. Go watch the full video (it's about 28 minutes long), with an open mind free of media bullshit and show me where any racism is evident.

Then go check out the Coroner's report into his death. If nothing else, you may actually conclude that had the full footage been released first day, then the rioting would have been minor and sporadic, the career criminal Floyd would not have received a funeral worthy of a saint, and the problems caused by Police procedure could have been dealt with in a more reasonable fashion.

But all we've seen is every time a black criminal dies in police custody, no matter the context, we get more riots.

Again, my point here is not to defend Trump. Calling for that protest was asking for trouble and he should leave office immediately in my opinion. However, the point of my post is that for months the Democrats, all the way to the top, have refused to condemn violence and murder, refused to condemn "protestors" attacking Federal Courts and Police Stations when it is beneficial to them or coming from people whose side they represent, all aided ably by the most dishonest mass media movement I've witnessed in my life.

Turning a blind eye to all of this, is it any surprise this happened? I knew something was going to kick off, not like this, but definitely something.

What I'm saying is that nobody should come out of this looking clean. People on both sides have acted criminally, in my opinion, the media being the absolute worst of the lot. If the rioting had been halted in its tracks back in May/June, I believe the scenes from yesterday would never have happened. All it would take is for people to tell the bloody truth, but like I said in my post above, I must be damn naive to think like this.

Anyway, I'm sick to fucking death of the whole damn lot of these clowns. Peace, man.
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Why did you declare him a Career Criminal?
 
RafasLeftFoot said:
Why did you declare him a Career Criminal?
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Can’t recall exactly, but he had around 8 or 9 previous convictions, mostly drug related, but he did a long stretch for armed robbery when he and his crew broke into a house off a woman with a new born child. Floyd held a gun to her belly while they robbed her and one of his crew pistol whipped her during the ordeal.

Career criminal or repeat offender, toss a coin for the right description.
 
SpursEagle said:
Can’t recall exactly, but he had around 8 or 9 previous convictions, mostly drug related, but he did a long stretch for armed robbery when he and his crew broke into a house off a woman with a new born child. Floyd held a gun to her belly while they robbed her and one of his crew pistol whipped her during the ordeal.

Career criminal or repeat offender, toss a coin for the right description.
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Are you sure you are absolutely correct did you check the real facts or are ypu quoting a fake meme?

He certainly was not an angel. but do you know your facts
 
RafasLeftFoot said:
Are you sure you are absolutely correct did you check the real facts or are ypu quoting a fake meme?

He certainly was not an angel. but do you know your facts
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Yeah, after watching the full footage I looked deeper.

In my post I’m going by memory, so I may not be 100% accurate, by I know I’m not far out.
 
I saw at least 5 stretches in prison from around 2000. One was for armed robbery on an elderly lady. Floyd held a gun to her stomach while his accomplices searched her property. I dont think labelling him as a career criminal is exaggerated. He was being arrested for trying to pass a forged 10 dollar bill in a shop, so it's not like he was reformed
This does not excuse the police in how they handled to situation.
 
Nick Real Deal said:
I saw at least 5 stretches in prison from around 2000. One was for armed robbery on an elderly lady. Floyd held a gun to her stomach while his accomplices searched her property. I dont think labelling him as a career criminal is exaggerated. He was being arrested for trying to pass a forged 10 dollar bill in a shop, so it's not like he was reformed
This does not excuse the police in how they handled to situation.
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It doesn't from our perspective sitting in a society where gun crime against a police officer is still an exception and not the norm, but I also know an American Black Policewomen and their POV is that every time they go out to a call or patrol they could be risking their life; i.e. The US is a gun mad society (whether it's legal or illegally held ones) and their POV is moreoftentan not, if it's a black / Hispanic predominantly minority neighbourhood there is a greater risk of having someone pull a firearm out and use it, so in her words, she shoots first and asks questions after. They are taught to shoot to kill in the academies or until the perp goes down/is disabled completely. Like it or not, their Police police to a different standard because of the gun culture is he belief - she lived and worked in London as a Police officer until marrying an American serviceman and moving to the US.

The FBI used to record/force precincts to record certain crimes by racial profile (they've stopped it now, I believe some time ago as it reinforced racial profiling) but see: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

The US societal issues are far worse than ours in terms of criminality and homicides so I'm not sure we're qualified to make these judgments at all.
 
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Nick Real Deal said:
I saw at least 5 stretches in prison from around 2000. One was for armed robbery on an elderly lady. Floyd held a gun to her stomach while his accomplices searched her property. I dont think labelling him as a career criminal is exaggerated. He was being arrested for trying to pass a forged 10 dollar bill in a shop, so it's not like he was reformed
This does not excuse the police in how they handled to situation.
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SO the lady was not pregnant, she is now old!! Ironically my main concern is that


After reviewing the FULL FOOTAGE of the video body cams the prosecutors upgraded the charges from 3rd degree to second degree murder!! Floyd committed crimes in Texas, his murder (to be determined) was in Minnesota.
 
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