Transfer Fees

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The transfer fee market is an interesting animal primarily driven by agents and the excess cash sloshing around from TV rights contracts.

However, when selling or buying the only thing that really matters is net spend. Or replacement value if you look at it that way.

An example of this outside of football is the housing market....as long as you are already in the market the only thing that really matters is the difference in the price of the house you are selling and the price of the house you are buying.

Levy has handled this very well over the years from a business standpoint.

The real issue is salaries.

Putting salaries aside for the sake of this discussion, why is necessary to have transfer fees at all?

The argument that academies need transfer fees to recover their investment in player development is valid.

But really, outside of that, there isn't any benefit to having this ridiculous practice continue. It prevents a more competitive environment, it alienates most people from players, Lamela being an excellent example, it creates a huge obstacle to player movement.

The list is endless. How should it be stopped?

 

[BlueWhite]

Side question--living where you do 80, you have to see coverage of professional sports in the States. Can you imagine if they had a similar transfer setup? What would Lebron or Tom Brady have been worth say 5 years ago? Interesting to think about.

 

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BlueWhite - 18/8/2017 16:39

Side question--living where you do 80, you have to see coverage of professional sports in the States. Can you imagine if they had a similar transfer setup? What would Lebron or Tom Brady have been worth say 5 years ago? Interesting to think about.

Exactly. Plenty of sports survive very well without this asinine practice.

 

[CanadianSpur]

The major difference between football transfers and North American leagues is that player movement in North America is almost exclusively within a single league so player movement rules can be collectively bargained between the league and players' unions. In football player movement happens across multiple leagues, each with their own rules, and across multiple jurisdictions. With out some form of common agreement across all leagues (and players) regarding player movement rules its hard to see the transfer fee system changing.

 

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CanadianSpur - 18/8/2017 17:59

The major difference between football transfers and North American leagues is that player movement in North America is almost exclusively within a single league so player movement rules can be collectively bargained between the league and players' unions. In football player movement happens across multiple leagues, each with their own rules, and across multiple jurisdictions. With out some form of common agreement across all leagues (and players) regarding player movement rules its hard to see the transfer fee system changing.

That is what FIFA is for.

 

[freundorfoe]

don't let them get involved! lol

 

[CanadianSpur]

80deg16minW - 18/8/2017 10:25

CanadianSpur - 18/8/2017 17:59

The major difference between football transfers and North American leagues is that player movement in North America is almost exclusively within a single league so player movement rules can be collectively bargained between the league and players' unions. In football player movement happens across multiple leagues, each with their own rules, and across multiple jurisdictions. With out some form of common agreement across all leagues (and players) regarding player movement rules its hard to see the transfer fee system changing.

That is what FIFA is for.

Does the IIHF dictate what happens in the NHL? Or FIBA the NBA?

 

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Those are closed loop systems.

FIFA is the recognized football governance body.

 

[CanadianSpur]

80deg16minW - 18/8/2017 11:07

Those are closed loop systems.

FIFA is the recognized football governance body.

Yet not every league has the exact same rule or Transfer windows FIFA doesn't have total control and if they tried the leagues would rebel.

The fact that the other leagues are a closed system is exactly my point. They can do what they want because there is a single dominant league in the sport. That condition does not exist in Football.

 

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CanadianSpur - 18/8/2017 19:12

80deg16minW - 18/8/2017 11:07

Those are closed loop systems.

FIFA is the recognized football governance body.

Yet not every league has the exact same rule or Transfer windows FIFA doesn't have total control and if they tried the leagues would rebel.

The fact that the other leagues are a closed system is exactly my point. They can do what they want because there is a single dominant league in the sport. That condition does not exist in Football.

I doubt the 100s of clubs that are negatively affected by transfer fees would vote against controls in this area.

The ridiculous fees are based around the PL and a few European teams. It wouldn't be difficult to garner support. Perhaps from some surprising quarters.

The only thing missing is credible leadership at FIFA. And that should sort itself out in the next 2-5 years.

 

[CanadianSpur]

But the PL and other rich leagues wouldn't go along. How would FIFA force them?

 

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CanadianSpur - 18/8/2017 19:34

But the PL and other rich leagues wouldn't go along. How would FIFA force them?

FFP. Global.

 

[Devon Spur]

IMO transfer fees up until last summer were helping to keep the game more level if anything. Theres no way you would be able to form a roster system in association football, and if you got rid of fees for a compo fee or similar the rich clubs would sweep the top talent first year, no way you will get players to agree to a salary cap now either.

 

[CanadianSpur]

80deg16minW - 18/8/2017 11:36

CanadianSpur - 18/8/2017 19:34

But the PL and other rich leagues wouldn't go along. How would FIFA force them?

FFP. Global.

FFP is. UEFA not global. Ban them from champions league and they form a new Super League. They've threatened that already.

 

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I know FFP is UEFA. That's why FIFA needs to take the lead and adopt the same regs. And enhance them.

 

[Real Deal]

Can't wait for the whole money train to crash. Will serve the greedy wankers right.

 

[CanadianSpur]

80deg16minW - 18/8/2017 20:45

I know FFP is UEFA. That's why FIFA needs to take the lead and adopt the same regs. And enhance them.

Fifa never will. And if they do the big money leagues will opt out and set up rival organization. Money talks

 

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CanadianSpur - 19/8/2017 20:40

80deg16minW - 18/8/2017 20:45

I know FFP is UEFA. That's why FIFA needs to take the lead and adopt the same regs. And enhance them.

Fifa never will. And if they do the big money leagues will opt out and set up rival organization. Money talks

Yes it does. And what you say may be threatened but then FIFA will make any player participating in the rival league ineligible for the World Cup. And that will be the end of that.

 

[CanadianSpur]

great in theory but will never happen.

Just imagine the outrage of the national associations, not to mention the fans in Germany, England, Spain, France, Italy Brazil just to name a few when the stars aren't at the world
cup.

That would be the death knell of FIFA.

 

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Oh I don't know. The World Cup is the life blood of FIFA. And it is also the biggest money maker in football.

Secondly, UEFA and every other regional football association gets their power from FIFA.

For someone who has been involved in football as long as you have I'm surprised you don't see the iron grip FIFA holds on the sport.