Tommy awaits Court sentencing !

Yep, absolutely deserve jail.

Have you been listening to any of the harrowing accounts and character references from relatives of the (mostly immigrant) victims of Grenfell during the inquiry this week? Some touching stories and waste of decent life.
 
Baghdad_Rob said:
If they are illegal immigrants then can't we just kick them out of the country?

Wayne.Kerr said:
Go and join VG and his cohort of extremists!
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When I said "kick them out" I meant putting them on a plane and flying them to wherever they originate from and not literally kicking and assaulting them.

If their right to stay has been investigated and they have been judged to have no legal right to remain in the UK then I am assuming that once they have served their time they will then go through the deportation process? I don't get why we don't immediately export them back to wherever and save money that would be spent on the upkeep feeding them etc. The prison cells they will occupy can be filled with white catholic priests.
 
Baghdad_Rob said:
When I said "kick them out" I meant putting them on a plane and flying them to wherever they originate from and not literally kicking and assaulting them.

If their right to stay has been investigated and they have been judged to have no legal right to remain in the UK then I am assuming that once they have served their time they will then go through the deportation process? I don't get why we don't immediately export them back to wherever and save money that would be spent on the upkeep feeding them etc. The prison cells they will occupy can be filled with white catholic priests.
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It's the same difference! These things need to be exposed so we don't waste more money on bogus claims; once they're sentenced [I'm assuming they will be], agreement can be reached with the Jamaican authorities for them to serve time there.
 
Wayne.Kerr said:
It's the same difference! These things need to be exposed so we don't waste more money on bogus claims;
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All too late, the claims have already been submitted and the money has been paid. These two are the 3rd and 4th convicted that I've read about so far. I've no idea why it would take 9 months to work out that someone didn't live where they said they did, they can't have any proof other than their word?

It is eye-opening the costs involved, Radisson Blu haven't done too badly out of the fire, have they?
 
ThreeSixes said:
All too late, the claims have already been submitted and the money has been paid. These two are the 3rd and 4th convicted that I've read about so far. I've no idea why it would take 9 months to work out that someone didn't live where they said they did, they can't have any proof other than their word?

It is eye-opening the costs involved, Radisson Blu haven't done too badly out of the fire, have they?
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All those things need to br brought out into the open and, by going through the courts, it avoids waiting years to find out if it's raised [ever] at the public enquiry.
 
Wayne.Kerr said:
It's the same difference! These things need to be exposed so we don't waste more money on bogus claims; once they're sentenced [I'm assuming they will be], agreement can be reached with the Jamaican authorities for them to serve time there.
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I didn't ay they shouldn't have their day in court, but once the judge has decided on their sentence then they should be deported. If the judge assigned a jail sentence then ideally should be suspended with the condition they don't return to the UK.
 
ThreeSixes said:
I've no idea why it would take 9 months to work out that someone didn't live where they said they did, they can't have any proof other than their word?
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Try telling that to the Windrush people who legally had a right to stay but didn't have the paperwork. I am sure the defendants claimed all paperwork proving their rights were burned in the fire and that the state needed to prove they didn't.
 
Baghdad_Rob said:
I didn't ay they shouldn't have their day in court, but once the judge has decided on their sentence then they should be deported. If the judge assigned a jail sentence then ideally should be suspended with the condition they don't return to the UK.
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You'll have to seek advice from a lawyer as regards what happens in such cases. It's what the rules are not your ideals that count.
 
Baghdad_Rob said:
Try telling that to the Windrush people who legally had a right to stay but didn't have the paperwork. I am sure the defendants claimed all paperwork proving their rights were burned in the fire and that the state needed to prove they didn't.
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It should be easy to prove: neighbours; council tax returns; social security records; rent agreement; London travel pass; doctors/NHS records etc to verify where they lived or didn't. BTW, in the case of the Windrush people, the Govt. wouldn't accept income tax records from HMRC for starters; they were people that could prove things but they were overlooked. Many had paperwork but not the right sort of paperwork according to HMG; records generated decades ago that no-one would be expected to keep. HMG was very sneaky in order to build up numbers of those deported so the figures looked good.
 
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