Things we won't say about race

kefkat

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With Trevor Phillips who was part of the new Blairite era to bring in new laws.

He argues that these laws have gone to far and that is why UKIP have surged in popularity. Or should I say the interpretation of those have gone to far.

He also investigated the case/s in Rotherham and the north and why these cases were brushed under the carpet because of the fear as being branded racist because of the race card.

Interesting

Anyone else watch it?
 
Yeah watched it KK thought it was by far the best and balanced programme on this subject I have ever seen and totally agreed with him.
 
Can have black and asian radio/news etc but imagine if there was a white version? It would be closed down straight away. Drives me mad. Also we can be called white no problem. But call someone brown or black.it is frowned upon. And exactly why is **** offensive? Surely it is same as turk, aussie, yank, pole.... why cant people get arrested for saying.... you white nob.
 
colavfc - 19/3/2015 23:12

Can have black and asian radio/news etc but imagine if there was a white version? It would be closed down straight away. Drives me mad. Also we can be called white no problem. But call someone brown or black.it is frowned upon. And exactly why is **** offensive? Surely it is same as turk, aussie, yank, pole.... why cant people get arrested for saying.... you white nob.

MOBO OK, MOWO try it!
 
Green Tea - 19/3/2015 22:34

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Here you go GT: The first minute is adverts then it will play the rest of the show. Oh you have to pause ad block too if you have it on

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/things-we-wont-say-about-race-that-are-true/on-demand/59754-001
 
Interesting, will watch it tomorrow. On race, don't see why we should discriminated against in different ways! If we are equal, treat all equal. That's the way I live my life! No preferential treatment for anyone, I hate all equally :17:
 
I'd like to of seen this, but the programme won't play for me..... probably because I'm not in the UK.

Talk about discrimination!.................
 
I'd like to of seen this, but the programme won't play for me..... probably because I'm not in the UK.

Talk about discrimination!.................
 
The cases in Rotherham weren't prosecuted because the establishment in Britain is run by paedophiles. Black people are disproportionately prosecuted in the UK and then given longer sentences when convicted. Racist much?

The idea that Britain is too nice to foreigners is hilarious.
 
Pride of Lions - 20/3/2015 00:50

I'd like to of seen this, but the programme won't play for me..... probably because I'm not in the UK.

Talk about discrimination!.................

Try Googling the title of this thread + Channel 4 and see if you can get it up on another channel that will play where you are. Don't know if that will work however it's worth a shot that a foreign channel may have connected in
 
yep I watched it. He raises alot of questions that are awkward for the powers that be and society as whole to deal with openly. We were always brought up to believe certain things about different people. Our values are formed as we get older. As youngsters in our first schools we don't see race or colour or creed we just see another child. Then slowly as we grow up in our various habitats/districts and we start listening to input from others whether it be parents or aunts and uncles, older kids etc we start to become influenced by these ideals. Is it so bad to say that a good percentage of the Jewish community (especially in the largest cities) have a wealthy lifestyle? Is it wrong to call an Afro-Carribean man a black man, or to call a man whose forefathers hail from the region of India or Pakistan - a brown man? My brother in law is a typical Londoner, he talks with a London accent. If you was to talk to him on the phone you'd swear blind he is white, but he isn't. He himself says he is brown. It doesn't make him any less important than you or I because in my opinion his skin colour, his ethnicity (or the fact that he's a Southern Softie (lol)) is immaterial. He's not just a brother in law, he is a good mate (even though he supports Liverpool). Where it starts to go wrong is calling people names based on their race, religion, country of origin etc. And the aspect of not dealing sensibly with issues that are morally wrong and the consequences of doing nothing for fear of some kind of racial backlash. That poor little black girl who was tortured and killed by people supposedly intrusted with her care. Nobody said anything for fear of being branded racist. Or the school girls groomed by gangs of men from an Asian/Indian background. Police and local government officials too afraid to act. But when it does break into the news, the media immediately make potentially inciteful and overtly racist headlines that fans the fires of anger and whole sections of a community take a stand against everyone of that ethnicity and condemn all without exception instead of just those who perpetrated the crime.

What was that guy on about at the UKIP rally when he just started having ago at Trevor Phillips? If that guy is a typical UKIP party member or follower then we have to seriously question the motives and ideals of such extremist viewpoints. I noticed that there was a very distinct lack of black and brown people at the convention. I only saw one black guy there. Maybe it's just me but, I am starting to think that UKIP is just a more acceptable version of the more radical and violent face of the National Front and England for Whites Only movement. Too many similarities to the Hitler regime and his Nazi Party for my liking - racial intolereance, extremist views on jobs for "Brits only" which will quickly become jobs for WHITE Brits only, which will then become jobs for White English people, his fixation about Poles, Romanians etc. To my mind this a dangerous ideology and not the utopia some think it is. We start on this path at our peril. There are bad people in all walks of life and in all races and creeds but can we tar everyone of that faith, race or colour or even wealth (or lack of) with the same brush as Farage and others have done.
 
colavfc - 19/3/2015 23:12

Can have black and asian radio/news etc but imagine if there was a white version? It would be closed down straight away. Drives me mad. Also we can be called white no problem. But call someone brown or black.it is frowned upon. And exactly why is **** offensive? Surely it is same as turk, aussie, yank, pole.... why cant people get arrested for saying.... you white nob.

When I was India the newspapers referred to the Pakistan Cricket team as Pak, I don't know why, they just did, virtually every article I read, but India, England, Australia, no abbreviations with them. The term '****' is the equivalent to '******' in terms of offence, as is 'yid', some people ignorantly call all south east Asians as '****'s', therefore it isn't used to describe someone exclusively from Pakistan (which wouldn't make it offensive) but the whole area, therefore an offensive term.

I understand the argument for an outrage if there were 'white only radio stations' etc, but I think, generally, as white Britons (assuming you are, and if not I'm talking on my behalf) that we are pretty covered in white orientated culture. What the fuck do you want on 'white only tele' anyway? Ballroom dancing and Dowton Abbey? Most people love foreign culture, from music to take away food, then the same (and I'm not saying you, just using an example) people who listen to rap, and eat Indian take aways moan that there are too many '****'s' on Eastenders. It's called hypocrisy.

I'm not calling you out as some sort of racist, I'm just raising a counter argument. :35:
 
BodyButter - 20/3/2015 01:12

The cases in Rotherham weren't prosecuted because the establishment in Britain is run by paedophiles. Black people are disproportionately prosecuted in the UK and then given longer sentences when convicted. Racist much?

The idea that Britain is too nice to foreigners is hilarious.

I agree, but they aren't 'foreigners' are they?
 
truth be told almost all of us are "foreigners" when you consider we are predominantly descended from the Anglo Saxons of the Germany/Holland area of Europe; the Vikings of Scandanavia and Romans and Normans from France. Even Farage - the great "foreigners out" campaigner need only go back 2 or 3 generations to find his roots (and the surname of Schrod (?) - the wife had a look - and they come from Frankfurt in Germany).
 
thefacehead - 21/3/2015 05:34

BodyButter - 20/3/2015 01:12

The cases in Rotherham weren't prosecuted because the establishment in Britain is run by paedophiles. Black people are disproportionately prosecuted in the UK and then given longer sentences when convicted. Racist much?

The idea that Britain is too nice to foreigners is hilarious.

I agree, but they aren't 'foreigners' are they?

Reading that back, I think I should have finished the second paragraph properly, lol.

There is a perception that immigrants go to Britain and the red carpet is rolled out. They are welcomed at Dover with a full range of specialist care and expert advisors in benefits but it's just not the case. However, it suits the UKIP xenophobic PR to paint it so.

 
Nobody said anything for fear of being branded racist. Or the school girls groomed by gangs of men from an Asian/Indian background. Police and local government officials too afraid to act.
Whilst I do think your post was a good one this bit you are falling into the very trap Trevor Phillips was talking about because this crime was predominately people of Pakistani origin and that most crimes of this nature are committed by Pakistani's but we are too scared to categorise certain crimes for fear of a backlash.But if we did categorise crimes and just concentrate on certain groups for certain crimes then we would nip things like this in the bud.
 
gator - 21/3/2015 22:02

Nobody said anything for fear of being branded racist. Or the school girls groomed by gangs of men from an Asian/Indian background. Police and local government officials too afraid to act.
Whilst I do think your post was a good one this bit you are falling into the very trap Trevor Phillips was talking about because this crime was predominately people of Pakistani origin and that most crimes of this nature are committed by Pakistani's but we are too scared to categorise certain crimes for fear of a backlash.But if we did categorise crimes and just concentrate on certain groups for certain crimes then we would nip things like this in the bud.

That reads like you are suggesting all paedophiles are pakistani.