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The War on Drugs - Good /Bad?

kefkat

Vital Football Legend
#43
well remembered re this thread BB

I think at some stage there is going to be the need for some very grown up conversations about the drug situation. The current sweeping it under the carpet approach just doesn't work. Drugs exist, they will continue to exist.
That went be happening anytime soon with those rabble in parliament.

They are too just humiliating and screwing up The U.K to be bothered with such matters
 

Stephen Jay Hawkings

Vital Champions League
#44
well remembered re this thread BB

I think at some stage there is going to be the need for some very grown up conversations about the drug situation. The current sweeping it under the carpet approach just doesn't work. Drugs exist, they will continue to exist.
There's too much common sense in this post, so I'm going to block you and put you on a list.
 

The Fear

A Wise Man (once sat next to him)
#45
Not just Parliament though KK. It is the public discourse and also lack of education as well. Drugs are bad. It just doesn't work, especially when the Gov make a fortune out of two proven killers but outlaw others.
 

BodyButter

Vital Football Legend
#46
I often wonder how far drug legalisation or decriminalisation should go. Marijuana seems like a no brainer. Mushrooms, LSD, ecstasy all seem like prime candidates too.

When it gets to the more destructive drugs like cocaine and heroin it's hard to argue that they should be readily available for all who want them but we've all seen the result of criminalising them.

I'd also like to see more work done on the demand side.
 

The Fear

A Wise Man (once sat next to him)
#47
Is LSD a prime candidate do you think?

With cocaine, I've only just recently read an article in Men's Health, the criminal gangs behind that drug is amazing really. UK is the largest user in Europe. So as you say, work needs to be done on the demand side, for sure, but also, if we were all grown ups in this world, isn't there an argument that leans towards the fact people are going to use drugs, so a safe supply ('safe' if you prefer) is better than drug cartels and gangs selling any old shite and killing people that get in their way.

It's not an easy debate at all is it?
 

BodyButter

Vital Football Legend
#48
Is LSD a prime candidate do you think?

With cocaine, I've only just recently read an article in Men's Health, the criminal gangs behind that drug is amazing really. UK is the largest user in Europe. So as you say, work needs to be done on the demand side, for sure, but also, if we were all grown ups in this world, isn't there an argument that leans towards the fact people are going to use drugs, so a safe supply ('safe' if you prefer) is better than drug cartels and gangs selling any old shite and killing people that get in their way.

It's not an easy debate at all is it?
No, it isn't. Wherever you draw the line will be wrong but we know that the current policies are only making the situation worse.

There is definitely an arguement for legalising everything and removing the gangsters from the equation.

The opioid crisis in the US is fascinating. The Sackler family are getting most of the blame for making the drugs but nobody seems to want to look at the circumstances that would make millions of people feel that taking opium was better than the reality of their lives.
 

Stephen Jay Hawkings

Vital Champions League
#50
There is definitely an arguement for legalising everything and removing the gangsters from the equation.
That's a quite a problem though isn't it, the gangsters. I don't know if you remember all the head shops getting burned out in Dublin by the gangs, they obviously weren't happy about their business being affected.
 

BodyButter

Vital Football Legend
#51
That's a quite a problem though isn't it, the gangsters. I don't know if you remember all the head shops getting burned out in Dublin by the gangs, they obviously weren't happy about their business being affected.
That was after I'd moved here. It does show that people would rather get their drugs from shops than dodgy dealers.
 

BringbakMON

Vital 1st Team Regular
#52
for Canada since cannabis was legalised those using 'illegal' sources has dropped a bit from 51% to 38% which perhaps doesn't quite offset first time users doubling to 650K.
Suspect dodgy dealers will always be involved as they are for fags and booze now.
 

BodyButter

Vital Football Legend
#53
El Chapo's wife has been arrested in Texas. Apparently, she had been in Washington and was on her way back to Mexico. I wonder what she was doing in Washington.

I've had this idea in my head that US law inforcement picks sides in the War on Drugs. I'm not sure where I got it from but it would be very easy for them to tip the scales for one group or another. Turn a blind eye to shipments from one gang while stopping everything from another gang. Arresting key members of this gang but not that gang etc.

Did I get this idea from films or does it have any basis in real life?
 

colavfc

Vital 1st Team Regular
#54
Im not into conspiracy theories as a rule.
But you do have to ask yourself how much input governments around the world have on drugs.
There is that much money in it, you would assume every government has a finger in a pie somewhere.
Some countries obviously more so but it wouldnt surprise me in the slightest if the UK and USA governement somehow take their share. Not sure how but i would be shocked if they didnt.
If you tested the houses of parliaments toilets for cocaine i would be amazed at a negative result.
 

gator

Vital Champions League
#55
El Chapo's wife has been arrested in Texas. Apparently, she had been in Washington and was on her way back to Mexico. I wonder what she was doing in Washington.

I've had this idea in my head that US law inforcement picks sides in the War on Drugs. I'm not sure where I got it from but it would be very easy for them to tip the scales for one group or another. Turn a blind eye to shipments from one gang while stopping everything from another gang. Arresting key members of this gang but not that gang etc.

Did I get this idea from films or does it have any basis in real life?
The Queen Of The South :thumbup:
 

gator

Vital Champions League
#56
If you tested the houses of parliaments toilets for cocaine i would be amazed at a negative result.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely it would probably be more prevalent on the seat at a guess.