The Vital Villa General Election 2017 Thread

Apologies but gonna paste a couple of my posts where im coming from to kick things off...
My first rant...


All I want is..

A government who treats us all fairly, and not just the wealthy
I want a government who accepts all of us, no matter what religion, colour or background we are from.
I want a government who is forward thinking, progressive and not one that is nostalgic.
I want a government that tackles global poverty.
I want a government that protects our environment.
I want a government that we can trust and hold to account.
I want a government that gives us a future of security.
I want a government that tackles poverty.
I want a government that supports our healthcare and provides free access to treatment and welfare.
I want a government that welcomes people from other nations who are able to contribute to our society.
I want a government that tackles fascism and fundamentalism that is against humanity.

no one represents me :(


Update from where i am after Manifestos have been published.



I'm hoping younger people will register to vote AND actually vote for something that sees us tackling inequality, with free and open further education.

I'm hoping anyone with kids who will be going into further education will think about not burdening them with huge debts with £50000 tuition fees.

I'm hoping anyone who is a pensioner or who has parents wants to guarantee and lock their pension to inflation.

I'm hoping anyone who might need future care and has worked all their life to have property wont have to use their investment to pay for their care.

I'm hoping anyone who thinks about animal welfare and detests the thought of Toffs murdering foxes to kerp up tradition votes against May.

Im hoping that anyone who thinks UK needs immigration for our economy to grow and succeed votes against May.

Corbyn is a pacifist.....so what?#? Arent we all?????

He may not be ideal but Labours Manifesto ticks more boxes for me.
 
Got to say why the hell arent either May or Corbyn not on the debate on TV tonight? May cant talk off the cuff and would only spout "strong and stable" bullshit but Corbyn usualy rises in debate. Opportunity missed by labour
 
chicovilla - 18/5/2017 20:23

Corbyn usualy rises in debate. Opportunity missed by labour
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Yes, big time. He needs as much positive exposure as he can get, and if he'd fronted up, would have made her look far from strong or stable imho.
 
Says everything about Corbyn though, own goal not doing the debate. It's his platform, talk bollocks confidently in front of a crowd - protest politician.

No we want the Tory votes only - sod everyone else.

Monster Raving Mad party for me I think this year.
 
I have already sent off my postal vote. So for me the die is cast. I am exercising my right to keep my selection secret but I can reveal that it is not the Tories nor indeed UKIP.
 
Paul Nuttall proving himself to be the complete and utter bellend everyone knows him to be.

Literally everything wrong with this country can be blamed on immigration apparently.
 
I've given up with it, the fact he can't even get the Welsh lasses name right - it's like shooting ducks in a barrel for those on the panel who know what they are doing.

God forbid he became PM....Angelica Merecat, Emmanuel Mackrell and so on.
 
Yes, at least Farage had the wit to learn the most basic facts, like the names of his opponents.

People think Corbyn isn't a leader, but Nuttall (and Tim Farron to be fair) certainly rate far below him imho.

If only Caroline Lucas were leading Labour or the Lib Dems......
 
mike_field - 18/5/2017 21:48

I've given up with it, the fact he can't even get the Welsh lasses name right - it's like shooting ducks in a barrel for those on the panel who know what they are doing.

God forbid he became PM....Angelica Merecat, Emmanuel Mackrell and so on.
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Corbyn sounded reasonable and came across well on Jeremy Vines interview earlier today. He answered anything that was fired on him.

When pressed on Trident he said he supports a nuclear free future, however his party supports Trident and so he accepts it. A pacfist at the helm sits well with me. If Russia or anyone nukes us we are F:cked anyway.

I think he would approach Brexit discussions in a less confrontational way, and would get a better outcome than May. The bullshit that a tory mandate for stronger poker hand is a myth. Its down economics and wether controlling our borders is worth more than our place in trading freely amongst our nearest neighbours.

 
For the hour I watched I thought Farron was pretty good actually - the only thing counting against him was repetition - and he didn't quite come over as banging home the point more struggling for anything else to say at points.

Lucas didn't impress me at all, spent too long nodding and agreeing for me. Was surprising though she's normally far better than that so guessing she warmed up more in the second hour?

Nuttall's out of the question, he's not a party leader let alone PM. Farron has question marks about rising past party leader because the Libs are hardly having a resurgence. But I don't put Corbyn much higher, he's more polished as a protest shout loudly against everything mould.

But a leader that doesn't make. He's just a more polished Trump.

As you say, Farage was no different but at least he worked the basics so he didn't look quite as plummish - but again that's all Corbyn's doing for me.

Difference between fairytale running a country and then running a real country when practicality wins the day, not ideology.

What really annoys me is a lot of the Labour manifesto I could get behind. It's very 'John Smith' from memory but sensationalised and Corbyn and MacDonald make it unreliable for me.

The daft thing as well is the Tory points under May, it's unlike May from her standpoints across her career in some cases so even she's playing the silly begger card just to get the hardliners in tow so she can do what she wants.

I do agree though Lucas/Farron with her in the lead role would make the Libs really viable I think.
 
Disagree, Chico, his whole mantra would see him walk in with sandals on and the when the EU negotiators talked he'd entrench with his whole woe is the world we should be marxists bollocks and he'd be painted well in the press and the reality is he'd be walked over as all he can do is sound 'good' when he's prepared but knocked off course he's a protest politician - basically a loud mouthed Union idiot/barrack room lawyer - who in the heat of the moment doesn't think negotiation or compromise it's the extremes and damn anybody who doesn't see it my way.

That's the bit that leaves me undecided. I like the Lab manifesto largely but I can't vote for the English Trump - I could more easily vote for Boris as he genuinely knows what he's playing at - I think Libs but largely wasted so how much of a balancing power.

I also agree with a fair bit of the Tory message but the fact May won't acknowledge people voted Brexit without knowing what it meant, therefore once we have a deal in place then a vote should be take the deal, come out without a deal or stay as we were for true democracy I can't vote that way either.

The election outright is a kill Labour trick, May could at least be honest about it and as above post she's actually going against so much of what she used to stand for, so is it devil we know, get the hardliners in place with her power unquestionable so she can go for a much softer Brexit deal without the PR stunts.

No proof either way but given relative backgrounds I see a better outcome there than with Corbyn, who I confidently expect post Brexit to be marching with the EU MP's decrying the bloody UK for voting out to begin with.

It's his style, get a banner find a protest - take your wage and the expenses.
 
Such a shit state of affairs whichever way you cut it.

David Miliband really missed a trick not coming back. I'm convinced even bacon Ed in this climate would do better as he was genuine for me just didn't carry the training.
 
I'd rather a Corbyn in sandals debating and negotiating with our European counterparts - many who share his socialist ideals than a May in dinosaur, nostalgic whatever nice shoes that the Daily Mail report that she is wearing.

Corbyn isnt the easy option, but his manifesto is important to me.
 
But you have a belief it'll follow through, it won't, especially with Brexit. They will negotiate to protect the EU, Corbyn will get his back up and go all communist and won't negotiate is the point - he'll draw lines that he'll stick to because that's all you have to do being a protest bellend.

You don't have to consider middle ground - stick to your extremes and you won because you stuck to your extremes.

I'm glad you got the comparison though, shoeware is irrelevant but that's now the society that takes the headlines.

Honest question, whose going to get a better EU deal?

Somebody who wants to be in the EU or somebody who would rather be out so they could nationalise everything?

He's not the easy option, he's the dynamite one but again I get the pull of the manifesto as it's probably largely the single most I could get behind a manifesto in the last 20 years of my voting life. It's by no means perfect but on a % to perfect ratio that's more me than ever before.

Corbyn just isn't credible though for me, he's not a leader and I can't get past that. MacDonald was a huge mistake but jobs for the boys isn't beyond Labour either.

He'd be in a much better position with a self made/strong Labour MP (if you get what I mean) as second in command.

Corbyn could then play the rallying socialist/Marxist, leaving them to speak genuinely about reality with the EU and the like. Then it would be winnable as doubters like me about Corbyn could at least vote in the knowledge a non nugget would take control when the pacifist lost his marbles and declared war on ink pens because they were taking jobs away from pencils.
 
I've missed sensible debates like this!!!!! :4:

If anything even though it would hugely put the cat amongst the pigeons, a 50/50 split coalition between a few parties (not ukip) would actually be the balanced way forward.

Best of each in right departments, best for the country not ideology, but they'd still fuck it up.
 
I knew it sounded wrong. Not the first time I'll be a twat and certainly won't be the last.

At least I didn't say McAndrew!

Either that or I've been touched by Nuttall tonight somehow.

I thank my esteemed colleague for the correction and I shall endeavour to remember - although it does show how important I think he is :19:
 
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